Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[PLATINUM7]

(In response to the edited quote) Big Daddy was in because Ken Levine, the creator of BioShock, requested him and even made his moveset. EA paid for Isaac to be in for Dead Space 3 promotion.

But what ties do they have to Sony? Neither series has any exclusives on a Sony console. They shouldn't have been in the game at all.

 

[Morbi]

But what ties do they have to Sony? Neither series has any exclusives on a Sony console. They shouldn't have been in the game at all.

Why? Did the PSASBR developers assert that only characters from a series that has exclusives on a Sony console can be in the game?

 

[Lasifer]

But what ties do they have to Sony? Neither series has any exclusives on a Sony console. They shouldn't have been in the game at all.

Big Daddy has his place, BioShock had content that was exclusive to the PS3 for five-years, and a BioShock exclusive Vita game is happening. I can agree Isaac had no place though.

 

[JamesDNaux]

But what ties do they have to Sony? Neither series has any exclusives on a Sony console. They shouldn't have been in the game at all.

There shouldn't have been any third party characters at all. It's a bad move to put third parties in the first allstar game of "Sony" characters. They should have established it with first parties and not thought about third parties until at least the second games

 

[Louie G.]

There shouldn't have been any third party characters at all. It's a bad move to put third parties in the first allstar game of "Sony" characters. They should have established it with first parties and not thought about third parties until at least the second games

Well Sony doesn't really have too many great first party characters to choose from.
Kratos, Sackboy, PaRappa...
Wait, is PaRappa 3rd party? See what I mean?

 

[Gunla]

I'm going to pretend Wario got revealed and make a roster.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Do you have a source for Sakurai saying he is considering Reggie?

Also the fact that people want Reggie and not Miyamoto as a playable Nintendo employee is sad, because at least Miyamoto has an actual impact on the company.

I'll go find that source again.

I can't understand why people don't want Miyamoto.
Most of Miyamoto's characters are in, so what would he do? Plus Miyamoto is the God of Gaming and should be treated with respect, while Reggie is thre for the jokes.

Welcome to Smashboards. How smart are ya.

*sees roster*

Right this way.
8/10. Nice first roster.

Too big. Remove REGGIE and Someone else like Mii.

How is 50 characters the perfect number, and 52 is unreasonable and must be changed?

 

[Lasifer]

There shouldn't have been any third party characters at all. It's a bad move to put third parties in the first allstar game of "Sony" characters. They should have established it with first parties and not thought about third parties until at least the second games

Third-party characters iconic to the PlayStation brand that Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Snake shouldn't have been in?

 

[SuperBrawler]

I'll go find that source again.

I can't understand why people don't want Miyamoto.
Most of Miyamoto's characters are in, so what would he do? Plus Miyamoto is the God of Gaming and should be treated with respect, while Reggie is thre for the jokes.


How is 50 characters the perfect number, and 52 is unreasonable and must be changed?

Because it's unlikely. Even 50 is a little iffy to me. 45-48 or maybe 49 tops is good for me.

 

[Deleted member]

If any Nintendo employee gets into Smash Bros, it should be Sakurai himself!

 

[Reznor]

If any Nintendo employee gets into Smash Bros, it should be Sakurai himself!

Sakurai doesn't play favorites we all know this

 

[Mega Bidoof]

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/12/0...ight-consider-adding-him-to-super-smash-bros/
Reggie considered source.
Let me make a few comments.
Yes, I know it says 100,000 signatures, but I doubt Sakurai means that. He is probably just saying that so people get that he is considering Reggie, but he may not get in because Sakurai said it should be 100,000 sigs.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Third-party characters iconic to the PlayStation brand that Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Snake shouldn't have been in?

Crash and Spyro yes, they were purely Sony at one point so they at least have a reason. Snake no, he's with Smash Bros.

 

[Shorts]

**** up about Reggie.

 

[Kenith]

Hmm, u need ur daily dosage of pacman
Otherwise its pretty good. I never played twilight princess so I'm neutral towards ghirahim.
9/10

...You should.

That way you'd know Ghirahim isn't in Twilight Princess.

 

[PLATINUM7]

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/12/0...ight-consider-adding-him-to-super-smash-bros/
Reggie considered source.
Let me make a few comments.
Yes, I know it says 100,000 signatures, but I doubt Sakurai means that. He is probably just saying that so people get that he is considering Reggie, but he may not get in because Sakurai said it should be 100,000 sigs.

Why are the first comments arguments over Ridley being too big.

 

[Lasifer]

Crash and Spyro yes, they were purely Sony at one point so they at least have a reason. Snake no, he's with Smash Bros.

Because a character can't be in two games? Especially when he is associated with the PlayStation brand more than Nintendo. MGS is HIGHLY associated with PlayStation, you seriously can't be telling me he belongs in a Nintendo All-Star game more than a PlayStation All-Star game.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Why are the first comments arguments over Ridley being too big.

Because it's people from Miiverse.

 

[Gunla]

Enjoy!

 

[Louie G.]

Enjoy!

+ Lyn
+ Waddle Dee
+ Isaac AND Shulk (it takes guts)
+ Size (50 is a good number)
- Robin (Ugh)
- 4 Fire Emblems (Probably not happening, a lot more series deserve 4 more than FE)

And why is Villager where Yoshi should be?

 

[Lasifer]

Enjoy!

The Villager's spot on the roster should be switched with Yoshi...solid roster anyways. It just looks kind of weird.

 

[Andrew McNamara]

how do i register for tournaments for melee?

 

[Gunla]

And why is Villager where Yoshi should be?

The Villager's spot on the roster should be switched with Yoshi...solid roster anyways. It just looks kind of weird.

I felt like placing Yoshi somewhere else.

 

[Louie G.]

how do i register for tournaments for melee?

Hey, welcome to Smashboards!
Unfortunately you are in the wrong place. Go to the Melee forums and ask them there.

 

[Nu~]

...You should.

That way you'd know Ghirahim isn't in Twilight Princess.

I mean skyward sword, dang, my bad

 

[PLATINUM7]

how do i register for tournaments for melee?

In the tournaments forums?

 

[JamesDNaux]

Because a character can't be in two games? Especially when he is associated with the PlayStation brand more than Nintendo. MGS is HIGHLY associated with PlayStation, you seriously can't be telling me he belongs in a Nintendo All-Star game more than a PlayStation All-Star game.

I'm tired of this BS. Snake is not a Sony character, he's a Konami character, and Kojima will do whatever the **** he wants with him. He isn't any more Sony than he is Nintendo, this argument is just ridiculous. You do know that MGSV is coming to the XBone too right? I guess MGS is an M$ game now too. Hell, the first game was on the MSX, I guess it must be their game. The consoles a game appears on doesn't dictate who owns the game, it's third party, it's on every one.

 

[Reznor]

how do i register for tournaments for melee?

find a tourny then go there

 

[PLATINUM7]

I'm tired of this BS. Snake is not a Sony character, he's a Konami character, and Kojima will do whatever the **** he wants with him. He isn't any more Sony than he is Nintendo, this argument is just ridiculous. You do know that MGSV is coming to the XBone too right? I guess MGS is an M$ game now too. Hell, the first game was on the MSX, I guess it must be their game. The consoles a game appears on doesn't dictate which one that game is for, it's third party, it's on every one.

Yeah but many MGS games are Sony exclusives and are made around Sony's hardware so much to the point that characters break the fourth wall to mention it. And isn't there an Ape Escape minigame in one of the games? Snake is more Sony than he is Nintendo.

 

[Nu~]

Mind if I critique your move set? Keep in mind, this is both my first time doing so and that I don't play Smash competitively at all, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

CHOMP! is a very powerful move, considering the opponent can't DI! As you didn't mention how much damage is given to the opponent (and if there is none, logically there should be some), I'll assume that the damage healed is the same as given. This means that if you let the opponent suffer the full 5 seconds, they'll receive 25%, and Pac will heal 25%, for a grand total of 50% difference. That's a Maximum Tomato difference, right there. Once most characters are in the 75% range, all it takes is to be hit by this move to be doomed. Nurf this move, please.
Also, keep in mind that a second is longer than you think; The Warlock Punch is 1.2 seconds to start up.

For Maze Teleport, what constitutes a "map"? The entire stage? If so, this move would be useless as a horizontal (I'm assuming you meant left-and-right here, instead of vertical) recovery if the stage was symmetrical. Also, what if there was a wall or other obstacle in Pac's destination?
Still, this is a brilliant idea for messing with the opponent.

I say that Butt Bounce is also something to be wary off. The combined three hits, along with the shockwave, is slightly more powerful than average than the Warlock punch. I'm not certain what point was to the Meteor Smash, as a stall-and-fall move is suicidal over the edge.
Also, how high is the jump? That's critical info!

You missed the damage on the Pac-Dot Chain. Other than that, it's a generic recovery (which I do not view as a bad thing).


Before I get into the meat of the Smashes, remember- all smashes follow the same rate of increased power. In Brawl, this was 1.4X maximum charged vs. a non-charged. As far as I can tell, you didn't try to keep a constant multiplier.

The ability to "slip through shields at times" is not unique, as is known as "shield stabbing." The fact that it does do extra shield damage does make it more threating, especially when paired with that little start-up lag. It might need nurfing if there's not something to balance it out.
Also, Chomp again? Rename either of these moves, please (I'd recommend the first should be changed to the classic Wakka).

Uppercut, eh... got nothing specific.

Metal Pac is not in the same style of the rest of your move set, so it's kind of oveously copy-pasted. Still, no other specific complaints.


Punch, Punch, KO is far more damaging than any Jabs from the preveious games. Be carefull with this one.

How far does the Pellet Trail go?

For the Sonic Wave, what do you mean by "stabilizes opponents?"

I have a feeling that the tilts were rushed, as they don't have a lot of discretion on them. I don't have any specific comments on them otherwise, though.

Ledge and Floor attacks, I'll mostly ignore as I don't consider them that important. However, it should be noted that Floor attacks are not affected by percentage, but how the character falls.


Skate Slice going through air dodges sounds a bit gimmicky for an aerial. Consider removing that.
On a more positive note, this is where around move discritions should be (I'll get around to that, don't worry).

Galaga seems... random for a move. I'd be more accepting of it if more moves were from general Namco and not Pac Man specific, but as of now it feels out of place and somewhat forced. I'd recommend replacing it.

Pellet blast... got nothin'.

For Ghost, ironically, the Ghost doesn't feel necessary. It's a gimmick for the sake of a gimmick, so it could be removed. You could replace it with giving the move Supper Armor (which prevents knockback in Smash).

Smiling Spin.... do you know how fast a frame is? 1/60th of a second. Other than that, no comment.

The tip of Grappling Hook can hit multiple times, but how many and how much? 5%? That's way too much.


Oh, boy... that Pummel you have right there? You just made Dedede and the Ice Climbers weep.
At 6% per pummel, you exceeded the previous recorded (held by Olminar's white Pikmin) by 2%. Combine that with the ability to leave the opponent immobile for 1 second, and you have people able to chain-grab for 12% damage per grab near infinitely. Normalize this move, please, and remove the gimmicks.

In Pellet Shoot, what do you mean by "The dward?" Methinks you made a typo.

In Ribbon-loop, when did Pac eat the opponent? You mention spitting them out, yet you didn't mention when Pac ate them. Did you forget about the Dig-Dug Pump?
Ditto for the Flip Kick.

Toss, meh.


For the Final Smash, considering that it's an instant KO, 10 seconds is way too long. That's as long as Pikachu's Volt Tackle, and that's considered very good without the instant-kills or more accurate controls.

As a last note, there are as many win poses as their are taunts. Not anything major, but just a nitpick.


All in all, you move set definitely could use some work. Reread your move set, as there are a number of grammar errors and it's smoother to read.

Also, your moves were generally not well described, either visually or mechanically.
Consider pumping your moves descriptions up a bit, so we have a better idea of what the character is doing. This can make your character come to life in people's eyes. Which sounds better, "A diagonal slice downwards," or "Raising his sword northwest on his left shoulder, he slices downward to his right hip while taking a step forward"?

Most important of all, mechanically you didn't describe much. I mean, you have a play style, which is nice, but I don't see you take advantage of it much.
However, you failed to mention much of anything in many moves, but a few like Skate Slice had a decent amount of description. Remember that each move should have damage, how much knockback, what direction the knockback is in, the size of any important distances, and the time of the end and start lag along with the move.

Remember, a move set should not be a bunch of attacks that seem cool along with borrowing moves already in cannon. Try and think "What do I want my player to do next?" for each and every move, and follow through with that. I can't see all too many combos in his move set. Also, while you have a bunch of moves dedicated to breaking shields, I'm not certain how you are supposed to follow up on that either. Try and find ways to make moves link together in play.


*whew* That took way longer than I though. Sorry for the late reply with this wall-of-text. I spent at least two and a half hours writing it!

Apologies if I seem a little critical, but I'm not exactly supporting Pac's inclusion. Still, anything to make a better move set!

Thanks for the feedback but to be frank, I don't really care to nerf pac-man or make his moves more descriptive. I'm more of a "big picture guy" so specifics aren't really my thing, and about the nerfing, this pac-man moveset most certainly won't be the one in the game so I didn't really care to make it realistic for the game. But I will take your comment into consideration, the 5% per second was supposed to be edited out, but thx!

 

[Lasifer]

I'm tired of this BS. Snake is not a Sony character, he's a Konami character, and Kojima will do whatever the **** he wants with him. He isn't any more Sony than he is Nintendo, this argument is just ridiculous. You do know that MGSV is coming to the XBone too right? I guess MGS is an M$ game now too. Hell, the first game was on the MSX, I guess it must be their game. The consoles a game appears on doesn't dictate who owns the game, it's third party, it's on every one.

That doesn't mean anything. I'm saying MGS is more associated with PlayStation than it is with Nintendo, which is true.

 

[Louie G.]

That doesn't mean anything. I'm saying MGS is more associated with PlayStation than it is with Nintendo, which is true.

inb4 bogus argument that Snake is important to Nintendo.

 

[JamesDNaux]

That doesn't mean anything. I'm saying MGS is more associated with PlayStation than it is with Nintendo, which is true.

Yeah but many MGS games are Sony exclusives and are made around Sony's hardware so much to the point that characters break the fourth wall to mention it. And isn't there an Ape Escape minigame in one of the games? Snake is more Sony than he is Nintendo.

Half of the MGS games have been on Nintendo consoles, shocking I know.

And fourth wall breaking? They do that in the Nintendo ones too. Psycho Mantis even tells you that you've been playing Melee lately in the Twin Snakes. There's even a Yoshi trophy. Not to mention Snake being in Brawl. Is Snake important to Sony/Nintendo? Yeah, but it's Konami that matters, not either of them.

 

[Nu~]

inb4 bogus argument that Snake is important to Nintendo.

SNAKE IS OBVIOUSLY IMPORTINT TO NINTENDO, HOW ELSE WULD HE GIT IN SMASH BROS?

 

[Andrew McNamara]

where are the new jersey smash bros tournaments. I am an extremely advanced player

where are the new jersey smash bros tournaments. I am an extremely advanced player. Melee is, and always will be the best super smash game. The new game will stink. So can someone tell me where i register. The new game will suck

 

[Louie G.]

where are the new jersey smash bros tournaments. I am an extremely advanced player. Melee is, and always will be the best super smash game. The new game will stink. So can someone tell me where i register. The new game will suck

Ok, goodbye.
I tried being nice, but bashing my number one more anticipated game of my life isn't going to get you compliments.
Go to the MELEE FORUMS like I said. And the new game will not suck, it will be excellent.
That's what we are talking about by the way.

 

[Nu~]

where are the new jersey smash bros tournaments. I am an extremely advanced player. Melee is, and always will be the best super smash game. The new game will stink. So can someone tell me where i register. The new game will suck

Please don't double post. Save room by combining your posts

 

[KingofPhantoms]

What's this new member's problem?

 

[Reznor]

Ok, goodbye.
I tried being nice, but bashing my number one more anticipated game of my life isn't going to get you compliments.
Go to the MELEE FORUMS like I said. And the new game will not suck, it will be excellent.
That's what we are talking about by the way.

hes trolling dude just ignore him

 

[Lasifer]

where are the new jersey smash bros tournaments. I am an extremely advanced player. Melee is, and always will be the best super smash game. The new game will stink. So can someone tell me where i register. The new game will suck

You can tell the future? Are you some kind of holy prophet?