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RankoChan

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Does Lip really count as a retro character though? Her last game was for the DS/DSiware after all and it was even localized (Although she was dummied out from the international versions)


Plus the Panel de Pon series has gotten an entry on every major Nintendo console since the SNES except the Wii U/3DS (as of yet). Even more still is that almost all of them were localized in some shape or form, something that most niche games can't brag about (Puyo Pop):

SNES: Panel de Pon (Localized as Tetris Attack)
N64: Pokemon Puzzle League (Cancelled Panel de Pon 64, but the series was so popular NOA picked it up)
GB: Pokemon Puzzle Challege (Cancelled Panel de Pon GB, see above)
Gamecube: Nintendo Puzzle Collection (Only one USA/Europe didn't get, remake of cancelled PdP64 and direct sequel to original)
GBA: Panel de Pon Advance (Features Lip's theme and other elements from original)
DS/DSiware: Panel de Pon DS (Features Lip herself but she was removed from the international versions)

That's 6 games total; 1 entry per console and it's Nintendo's biggest puzzle series after Dr. Mario. I don't think Panel de Pon/Puzzle League is really obscure/retro.
 
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New Topic : STICKERS.

Because we all love stickers,right? RIGHT?! :c
 
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JamesDNaux said:
I've been trying different methods of roster organization, this time I went for the Melee approach:
I don't think it looks good at all with so many characters, but what do you guys think?
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Oh, wow! Now it's in bold! It still doesn't say anything about organization dictating character inclusions.
 
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How's this for a retro character?

Ayumi Tachibana from the Famicom Detective Club series :laugh:
 
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RankoChan said:
Does Lip really count as a retro character though? Her last game was for the DS/DSiware after all and it was even localized (Although she was dummied out from the international versions)


Plus the Panel de Pon series has gotten an entry on every major Nintendo console since the SNES except the Wii U/3DS (as of yet). Even more still is that almost all of them were localized in some shape or form, something that most niche games can't brag about (Puyo Pop):

SNES: Panel de Pon (Localized as Tetris Attack)
N64: Pokemon Puzzle League (Cancelled Panel de Pon 64, but the series was so popular NOA picked it up)
GB: Pokemon Puzzle Challege (Cancelled Panel de Pon GB, see above)
Gamecube: Nintendo Puzzle Collection (Only one USA/Europe didn't get, remake of cancelled PdP64 and direct sequel to original)
GBA: Panel de Pon Advance (Features Lip's theme and other elements from original)
DS/DSiware: Panel de Pon DS (Features Lip herself but she was removed from the international versions)

That's 6 games total; 1 entry per console and it's Nintendo's biggest puzzle series after Dr. Mario. I don't think Panel de Pon/Puzzle League is really obscure/retro.
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But Lip probably fits into the obscure character category for western gamers.
 
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JamesDNaux said:
It didn't dictate the choices, I've posted my regular roster before:

I've just been rearranging it in multiple ways. I've always thought Melee's roster to be pretty jumbled too, what with Ganondorf next to Falcon.
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If the organization didn't dictate the character choices then I don't see why you countered character choice criticism with "It's just like that because organization".
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Oh, wow! Now it's in bold! It still doesn't say anything about organization dictating character inclusions.
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Because the organization doesn't dictate the choices, like I already said. My choices are no different than the usual, I was asking what people thought of the organization, not the choices.

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If the organization didn't dictate the character choices then I don't see why you countered character choice criticism with "It's just like that because organization".
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I never said that. He said something about the choices when I wasn't asking about the choices. I responded by asking if he even read what I posted in the first place, which apparently, no one but Platinum and Neon did.
 
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PLATINUM7 said:
But Lip probably fits into the obscure character category for western gamers.
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True. But most western players have played her games without even knowing it, something the Fire Emblem series couldn't brag about before Melee.
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
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Really mature, Saturn. Solid argument/10.

Tabuu was an unpopular one-shot generic doomsday villain from what many consider to be one big waste of time.

Muddy is a retro with decent popularity for a retro not named Takamaru, was known for starring in one of Miyamoto's hidden gems, and offers uniqueness that Sakurai is (especially now) looking for.
 
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RankoChan said:
True. But most western players have played her games without even knowing it, something the Fire Emblem series couldn't brag about before Melee.
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This game was bragging about it before Panel de Pon
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
When a character has no move set, it's hilarious watching how hard Smash fans will try to create one. :laugh:
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It's not that, cause I mean technically, no one has a move set until they are given one.

But Mach Rider constantly riding his bike would be incredible awkward and would not work. He would have to be on foot, which is boring.

He would make a good "historical" character as it were, because Mach Rider started out as a toy
 
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If Sakurai even counts SNES characters as retro I'd say Lip still fit the bill, considering all her appearances afterwards have been re-releases of the original game or minor cameos.
But if Sakurai only views NES-era characters as "classic" then it's a moot point regardless.

JamesDNaux said:
It didn't dictate the choices, I've posted my regular roster before:
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Why would organization be relevant to including a 4th SF over a 2nd F-Zero then?
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2nd F-Zero > 4th Star Fox
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Did you ignore where I said this was about the organization?
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I've just been rearranging it in multiple ways. I've always thought Melee's roster to be pretty jumbled too, what with Ganondorf next to Falcon.
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True, but that was pretty much the only case of it being jumbled, and even then Ganondorf was still adjacent to the Zelda row and next to the character he shared a moveset with. If this was Melee-styled, why are several series still vertical, why is no multi-character series other than KI completely horizontal?

I mean all and all roster layout is relatively unimportant, I just doubt people will associate this with Melee's had they not been informed.
 
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Opossum said:
Really mature, Saturn. Solid argument/10.
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Because you were totally being mature with the facepalm gif. Also are you new here or is this the first time you've seen somebody post a laugh gif?
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Tabuu was an unpopular
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'scuse me?

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one-shot
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Source? Also so is Muddy Mole.

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generic
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loling right now.

Opossum said:
doomsday villain from what many consider to be one big waste of time
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Because Sakurai cares about the Smash fans that ***** about Toon Link and all that.

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Muddy is a retro with decent popularity
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BARELY! Also why does retro make you higher priority than any character?

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was known for starring in one of Miyamoto's hidden gems
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Oh, that's cool. Tabuu was in one of SAKURAI'S masterpieces.

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and offers uniqueness that Sakurai is (especially now) looking for.
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Not as much as Tabuu I'm afraid.
 
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Lip is a plausible character,the thing is we can't figure out most of her specials,her B ^ To be specific.
 
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N3ON said:
Why would organization be relevant to including a 4th SF over a 2nd F-Zero then?
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Ok, there's some confusion here. I posted it with the intent to get feedback on the organization, not what choices I picked. He responded to it saying something about the choices, to which I reminded him what I was asking about in the first place. I wasn't using the organization as an excuse for the characters, I was pointing out that I had never asked about characters in the first place.
 
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Oh, boy. It's that time of the day where smashboards users start bias flame wars about characters they don't want.
 
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I know almost everybody here wants to fix Ganondorf. How I would do it is by adding some magic like in OoT or from his Ganon form from ALTTP/ALBW
 
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RankoChan said:
Eh... Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic actually started out as a Mario title, then the Yume Kōjō mascots were added, and then it was changed back into a Mario title... Kinda a long stroy, you can read more on that here:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/04/the-secret-history-of-super-mario-bros-2/

Not sure what it has to do with Panel de Pon though.
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I already knew that but does it really count if when it had Mario characters it was really nothing more than a conceptual design.
 
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SaturnGamer64 said:
Oh, boy. It's that time of the day where smashboards users start bias flame wars about characters they don't want.
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because you know, that happens twenty four/ seven because of a magical word called opinion of what they think, and everyone thinks tabuu is a bad choice,

and @SaturnGamer64 you didn't answer my question, requesting a source of proof for tabuu's popularity
 
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