Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Mega Bidoof]

So....People think that Lip has some chance to be playble character?

Yes, they do.
And I am one of those people.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So....People think that Lip has some chance to be playble character?

The most out of retros.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good evening to you all, hope you're doing well as I make a quick pop-in to leave you a present. Robin's moveset video is finally finished:

I also just realized I submitted to calling him Robin...goddammit internet, you're molding me into something new with your persuasive ways! Anyways, I have Walhart's castle to storm, enjoy. A quick update on what's been going on this weekend would be nice too.

 

[N3ON]

Making aesthetics the sole quality that constitutes whether something is generic or not is a fairly big fallacy; it's not Saturn's qualifications going over everyone's head, it's Saturn's qualifications being wrong, there's more to whether a character is generic or not than just their appearance. If you're going to dub a whole character as generic, it can't just be based on one element of that character...

In addition to appearance, personality, role in the games, fighting style, ability and potential... they all are factors.

Explain why Marth, Donkey Kong, and Zelda aren't generic?

Point me to where I said they weren't generic and I gladly will. All I said was Tabuu is generic and K. Rool isn't; I didn't say generic characters couldn't wind up on the roster.

That said, DK is not generic. If he was generic, there'd be many other characters like him. How many other characters fit his role, how many partially-clothed apes are the protagonist of their own platforming/arcade series? I mean... if he was generic... there'd be many of his type, he'd be one in a crowd, like an otherwordly and godly final boss with many minions and the ultimate goal of conquering and gaining power. There are some aspects of DK that are generic... but then again there are some aspects of most video game characters that are generic, that doesn't mean the character is more generic than not.

Also I can put a crown on an animal and give him pirate and scientist stuff. It'd still be generic.

Not if that combination of animal, clothing, personality, role in the game, and methods of attack hadn't been done before, which they hadn't with K. Rool.

 

[Kenith]

Anyone can be whatever they want to be!

Suddenly I have a craving for for blue's Clues...

Blue for SSB4?

Naw, Salt and Pepper as a duo character is way better.

 

[9Volt]

I like her, but don´t think there is much chance. Retro chars come more of the nes era. She was on snes and gc right?

 

[AEMehr]

[collapse="Tabuu chibber chatter"]

Opinion

True, but I'm one of the majority. The majority that does not want Tabuu to be in Smash Brothers, contrary to your belief.

Maybe if you people had the open mind to discuss outside shoe ins. But, no. You're not capable of embracing new ideas so you just post laughing facepalm gifs at me instead everytime I bring up a new character and call me the bad guy because I respond negatively or in the same fashion. I'll just rejoice when it actually happens.

Okay, wanna talk about Muddy Mole? Professor Layton? Fawful? Dillon? Porky? Quote? Hmm? You should know by looking at my Signature that I'm not all into shoe-in characters. Takamaru is actually my least favorite retro choice.
I can embrace new ideas, when they're good. Tabuu is not a good idea for many reasons (as brought up before).

Love is stronger than hate. And that's why I side with the several people who DO agree with me and actually like Tabuu.

I imagine several people do, but they are the minority. Which does not help your case that suggests he is overly popular.

Nice job deeming Tabuu illogical because you think he's unoriginal in the exact same sentence where you said you refuse to see people shoot down realistic character predictions because of biased opinion. Round of applause.

I'm sure the majority would agree with me when I say that Tabuu is a mediocre and very unlikely choice for a playable character in Smash. While it is taboo (ohohohoirony) to say Tabuu is possible, it's for a good reason why the majority does not see it happening.

That's a good way to make yourself believe you're right.

Yup. Afterall as everybody else has stated, it's the logical way to think of Tabuu. Subspace was poorly received, so to even consider the main villain of it to be playable of all things is ludicrous.

I mean everybody mentioned the Hitler comparison already, but come on. How well known you are =/= Popularity.
Same goes for Pac-Man really, but at least Pac-Man is actually a popular video game character. Which Tabuu is not.

Oh, and Master Hand is more likely than Tabuu? Yeah, and Toad is more likely than Rosalina.

Hey, he was more likely. Then Peach deconfirmed him, so then he became less likely than Rosalina. But then again, I don't remember you being so completely sure and confident of Rosalina making it in Smash Bros. Only two I know were Rosalina supporter and M&SFan.

Also why is Master Hand more likely than Tabuu? Simple.
Master Hand is the creator of the Smash Brothes universe, what would prevent him from joining in on the festivities?

...Then again, Master Hand making it in as anything more than a Boss is unlikely anyways. So Master Hand having a better chance than you really means you have absolutely no chance at all. Of course you can say this is my opinion, but it is the general opinion of the general Smash Speculation base.

As I said before, you can continue to put Tabuu on your roster and think he will be playable if you want. I'm just tired of seeing you shutting down other characters, like Muddy Mole, for instance, but still believe that Tabuu has an good chance. Because I've been seeing you do it a lot lately and I would like you to stop.

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[TheLastJinjo]

Making aesthetics the sole quality that constitutes whether something is generic or not is a fairly big fallacy; it's not Saturn's qualifications going over everyone's head, it's Saturn's qualifications being wrong, there's more to whether a character is generic or not than just their appearance. If you're going to dub a whole character as generic, it can't just be based on one element of that character...

Do you not realize that I'm intentionally doing this to prove why you doing the exact same thing to Tabuu is wrong?

majority think I'm right.

Being a majority does not make you right. If I counted how many times the majority of Smash fans thought something and were miserably wrong...oh, man.

I'm not looking at character's chances from the view of a majority of people's biased opinion. I'm sorry if you think the world works that way.

 

[RouffWestie]

So....People think that Lip has some chance to be playble character?

I used to for the longest time, but I have no faith in her anymore.

 

[kingmario92]

Suddenly I have a craving for for blue's Clues...

Blue for SSB4?

Naw, Salt and Pepper as a duo character is way better.

My goodness, I haven't heard that name in years!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I like her, but don´t think there is much chance. Retro chars come more of the nes era. She was on snes and gc right?

Says who?
Sakurai does have a soft spot for her though.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

We should get off this Tabuu and K. Rool topic @SaturnGamer64.
Wether or not you like the characters or think they should be in Smash, it is no longer a good topic for this thread.

NEW TOPIC: Wart from Super Maio Bros. 2 and Doki Doki Panic!
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He should be in Smash. Period.

Spoiler

 

[9Volt]

Says who?
Sakurai does have a soft spot for her though.

Melee and Brawl.

I know that can change and all. And I know sakurai likes her, but I just think that a surprise AT is the best outcome possible.

 

[kingmario92]

Do you not realize that I'm intentionally doing this to prove why you doing the exact same thing to Tabuu is wrong?


Being a majority does not make you right. If I counted how many times the majority of Smash fans thought something and were miserably wrong...oh, man.

I'm not looking at character's chances from the view of a majority of people's biased opinion. I'm sorry if you think the world works that way.

This has nothing to do with your post, but that Drowzee is giving me chills...I like it.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Would it be overkill if I make a Wart Support Thread tomorrow?
I actually consider him and he would be friggin awesome to play as!
But I have been making a lot of WTF threads lately (Rudy the Clown, and Game & Watch Chef).

 

[Hotfeet444]

So no one wants to tell me what the hell is going on here since there's no common connection to normality within five country miles? Oh okay....er...well Goodnight everyone.

 

[Kenith]

So....People think that Lip has some chance to be playble character?

I think that considering several aspects of Lip are already included in the series, I can't see her getting promoted to playable character. Lip's Stick as an item, Garbage block as Kirby's Down Special, Puzzle Block as a part of the Nintendogs stage...though some would interpret these as hints to her eventual inclusion...

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So no one wants to tell me what the hell is going on here since there's no common connection to normality within five country miles? Oh okay....er...well Goodnight everyone.

Saturn was having an argument against everyone saying that Tabuu was unique and K. Rool isn't at the same time .
And then I brought up Wart as a new topic, and Saturn is still babbling about something or other.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Saturn was having an argument against everyone saying that Tabuu was unique and K. Rool isn't at the same time .
And then I brought up Wart as a new topic, and Saturn is still babbling about something or other.

So unintelligent babble all around? Jesus 420 Christ people, do I need to put out a "Do not feed the animals" sign for you to not provoke said things? Well feel free to continue, I'll just skulk around and probably leave within 10 minutes.

 

[AEMehr]

Being a majority does not make you right. If I counted how many times the majority of Smash fans thought something and were miserably wrong...oh, man.

Well that happens I guess?? But in the end we got something that I'd argue was pretty good in most cases.

I'm not looking at character's chances from the view of a majority of people's biased opinion. I'm sorry if you think the world works that way.

So then instead how do you look at this then? Because the way I see it, Tabuu makes no sense no matter how you look at it. I feel that an explanation is better than, "Oh, I don't think that way because that's not how the world works sorry".

 

[Kenith]

Saturn was having an argument against everyone saying that Tabuu was unique and K. Rool isn't at the same time .
And then I brought up Wart as a new topic, and Saturn is still babbling about something or other.

Don't talk about Saturn behind his back like that. It's demeaning and will probably piss him off.

I like Sandbag.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Making aesthetics the sole quality that constitutes whether something is generic or not is a fairly big fallacy; it's not Saturn's qualifications going over everyone's head, it's Saturn's qualifications being wrong, there's more to whether a character is generic or not than just their appearance. If you're going to dub a whole character as generic, it can't just be based on one element of that character...

In addition to appearance, personality, role in the games, fighting style, ability and potential... they all are factors.


Point me to where I said they weren't generic and I gladly will. All I said was Tabuu is generic and K. Rool isn't; I didn't say generic characters couldn't wind up on the roster.

That said, DK is not generic. If he was generic, there'd be many other characters like him. How many other characters fit his role, how many partially-clothed apes are the protagonist of their own platforming/arcade series? I mean... if he was generic... there'd be many of his type, he'd be one in a crowd, like an otherwordly and godly final boss with many minions and the ultimate goal of conquering and gaining power. There are some aspects of DK that are generic... but then again there are some aspects of most video game characters that are generic, that doesn't mean the character is more generic than not.


Not if that combination of animal, clothing, personality, role in the game, and methods of attack hadn't been done before, which they hadn't with K. Rool.

This is basically what I wanted to say, but it would've taken me forever to do so on my iPod.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So back to Wart....

 

[RouffWestie]

Lip's Stick AND Lip AT would be redundant as heck.
If Puzzleague gets any extra representation, it should get a stage.

 

[Knight Dude]

So back to Wart....
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What about him? He's hardly a villain I'm interested in. You think he has any interesting moves? Maybe with his minions. Or have him shoot bubbles, though that was kind of obvious. Honestly, he doesn't seem to have much to work with. Well, and he isn't really relevant. I wouldn't make a thread for the guy.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Lip's Stick AND Lip AT would be redundant as heck.
If Puzzleague gets any extra representation, it should get a stage.

WHATS WITH ALL THESE NEW GUYS JOINING THE BOARDS!?!?!

THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY ROOKIES IN THE LAST COUPLE PAGES!!!!

 

[Hotfeet444]

So back to Wart....
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Can this be his alternate costume?

 

[PLATINUM7]

WHATS WITH ALL THESE NEW GUYS JOINING THE BOARDS!?!?!

THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY ROOKIES IN THE LAST COUPLE PAGES!!!!

A member who joined in October is a rookie?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

What about him? He's hardly a villain I'm interested in. You think he has any interesting moves? Maybe with his minions. Or have him shoot bubbles, though that was kind of obvious. Honestly, he doesn't seem to have much to work with. Well, and he isn't really relevant. I wouldn't make a thread for the guy.

I would make a thread (well I make a thread for anyone ), since he has good moves, he is an irrelevant character THAT IS ACTUALLY DESERVING (like Fawful)!

 

[RankoChan]

Melee and Brawl.

I know that can change and all. And I know sakurai likes her, but I just think that a surprise AT is the best outcome possible.

JK, I'd be perfectly happy if she was only an AT. Heck I'd even be happy if she only gets in as a trophy as long as she or her series is represented in some shape or form.

 

[Bowserlick]

Sakurai did invent Tabuu. There might be a special place in his heart for him.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

A member who joined in October is a rookie?

It says so on his/her profile.

JK, I'd be perfectly happy if she was only an AT. Heck I'd even be happy if she only gets in as a trophy as long as she or her series is represented in some shape or form.

Am I the only one that finds this picture..... oddly seducing?......

How old is Lip again?

Sakurai did invent Tabuu. There might be a special place in his heart for him.

He also invented King Dedede and Meta Knight, but they weren't added until Brawl.

 

[SuperMii3D]

It says so on his/her profile.


Am I the only one that finds this picture..... oddly seducing?......

How old is Lip again?


He also invented King Dedede and Meta Knight, but they weren't added until Brawl.

Wut

Why

No clue

Wasnt Dedede meant for the original Smash, but was cut in the end?

 

[PLATINUM7]

Wut

Why

No clue

Wasnt Dedede meant for the original Smash, but was cut in the end?

Yes.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Wut

Why

No clue

Wasnt Dedede meant for the original Smash, but was cut in the end?

Both Dedede and Meta Knight were planned for both SSB64 and Melee, but didn't get in until Brawl.

 

[N3ON]

Sakurai never expressed any feelings of affinity towards Lip herself, he just remarked that Panel de Pon was a great game after being prompted. He didn't even bring up the topic himself. In fact he questioned how many people would even know Lip, and he wasn't even referring to the west. So let's not blow this whole "Sakurai bias" out of proportion.

Both Dedede and Meta Knight were planned for both SSB64 and Melee, but didn't get in until Brawl.

MK wasn't planned for either. He was considered for Melee.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Am I the only one that finds this picture..... oddly seducing?......
How old is Lip again?

....someone should keep an eye on that on guy

 

[PLATINUM7]

Both Dedede and Meta Knight were planned for both SSB64 and Melee, but didn't get in until Brawl.

Where's the source for Meta Knight being planned?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Well that happens I guess?? But in the end we got something that I'd argue was pretty good in most cases.
So then instead how do you look at this then? Because the way I see it, Tabuu makes no sense no matter how you look at it. I feel that an explanation is better than, "Oh, I don't think that way because that's not how the world works sorry".

I gave reasons when I posted the roster. Not just being a WTF character, but I feel that Sakurai might actually want to add a character original to Smash for once. Not only would Tabuu be unique, but he'd surprise fans as well. This is the 4th installment and it's fair to expect something different for a change. Tabuu is not like Master Hand who is 100% Boss material. He has aspects that would translate great into a playable character if done right and I think that now that Tabuu is existent that Sakurai will do just that. And again, a Smash original character provides something different and is certainly fair considering Smash has birthed so many characters and original things of it's own. And Tabuu is the perfect one to fill that slot.

Disagree if you may. Post facepalm or laughing gifs like Opposum if you want. But, just because a lot of you like or disagree with it doesn't make it's unlikeliness so. The fact that so many people DID agree with it means it's obviously not a preposterous concept. That's saying something given the concepts I've usually proposed that had little to no approval at all. In fact I take the minority over the majority as a good thing as many Smash fans don't know what the **** they are talking about.

If you have any aggressive responses or wanna just go "What the ****, dude? Why would Tabuu be in when he's a boss and everyone somehow thinks he's generic?" Please don't refer it to me. But, rather my friend Mr. Wall. Because I'm tired of arguing on this site with biased users who think they are right about everything and still can't comprehend the concept of unrequested characters.

I predict a Smash Original Rep and that Tabuu is perfect to fit that spot. End of discussion. It's no longer up for debate with me.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Wut

Why

No clue

Wasnt Dedede meant for the original Smash, but was cut in the end?

Yes, he, Bowser and Mewtwo were all intended to be in the game at one point in development, but were cut. Dedede was the last of the three to be implemented, although I do believe he was intended for Melee at one point but scrapped by Sakurai.