Eyyyyyyyyyy I made tier lists for ALL of the smash games (except PM since my knowledge is lacking in that game) along with any choices that may seem odd.
64:
: Link is actually somewhat better than what other people think. He's still low tier because of his recovery and (to a lesser extent) frame data, but he has a powerful combo game and strong projectiles that I can't place him in bottom 3.
: I'm dead serious. Besides that impractical grab infinite thing, name one thing that this character can do besides lose games and get bodied by friggin EVERYONE.
Melee:
: I'm kinda with Hax on this one. If you really think about it, Icies might not be top 10 worthy anymore given how many characters they lose to. They aren't bad, but as PM showed us, if you remove wobbling, then they're notably less powerful.
: Similar reasoning for Icies, but still an excellent character. Just not top 3 worthy anymore because he gets comboed so easily (and unlike fox, he has little chance of recovering back on stage once he's knocked off). I might even put peach above him because of how Armada's been doing this year.
: While cycling through which melee characters to dual main, I once picked up mario. However, he has one major issue that other characters don't: HE CANNOT RELIABLY TAKE A STOCK. Doc can finish a combo with a fair, DK has the punch, and luigi has plenty of stuff. Mario can pretty much only hope to get a proper edgeguard or a kill at ridiculously high percents.
: Similar to DK in 64 I see little in this character. Why does no one else call him bottom three?
Brawl:
: Olimar is probably the biggest problem I have with the current official tier list. He's a little too pikmin reliant. Don't get me wrong, he's a great character, but he's nowhere top 3, or even top 5 imo.
: Another big problem I have with the current official tier list. If you can't get a grab with him, there's not much you can do to get in. Plus, for a supposed "top tier character", he certainly struggles against quite a few charcaters, including ones below him.
: I can't even stress how underrated this guy is. He's one of the few characters [that require skill] with an actual combo game to speak of outside of chain grabs. You thought that his Sm4sh incarnation was annoying? You haven't even seen his Brawl version. You'd be lucky if you get to touch the friggin ground.
: You guys know how I feel about Brawl Pit, so no need to go into too much detail.
: She isn't as bad as people say. Yeah, she's bottom tier, but not bottom 5 worthy imo. She can kind of combo, and do you have any idea how large that Din's fire hitbox is? It can hit you without actually hitting you.