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Strider_123 · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
Either GOs lost a single frame of startup or Kurogane is wrong... Shields come out on 8, down from supposedly 9. Remembered the training mode method. Can't find any SA either.

Looking a little closer right now.

Edit: Whelp, placebo'd it. Frame 8 attacks beat it, blocks frame 9.

GOs are unchanged?

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Strider_123 said:
GOs are unchanged?

Doesn't seem like it. Moves way to fast to be unchanged, unless this game is really Melee and Pit finally joined the game.

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

Strider_123 said:
GOs are unchanged?

I think... Either that, or Kurogane is wrong. It definitely can be on something funky like this, but gut instinct says I goofed.

Not looking any further into this or any other lag stuff until I get my other 3DS.

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

Okay, yaknow what? I lied. Looked at the arrows again. Aerial lag seems decreased. As long as the first arrow goes away you can go rapid-fire in the air. I had a custom stage that consists of a wall and a cannon for testing the rate of fire on arrows. Dark Pit can go closer to the ground with 'em, and Pit can rain them down, one per jump, and still "autocancel" before he hits the ground. Either we somehow never noticed this or Pit just got something huge.

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
Okay, yaknow what? I lied. Looked at the arrows again. Aerial lag seems decreased. As long as the first arrow goes away you can go rapid-fire in the air. I had a custom stage that consists of a wall and a cannon for testing the rate of fire on arrows. Dark Pit can go closer to the ground with 'em, and Pit can rain them down, one per jump, and still "autocancel" before he hits the ground. Either we somehow never noticed this or Pit just got something huge.

Good huge or bad huge?

ZTD | TECHnology · Jul 31, 2015

Did Dair always AutoCancel on SH so easily?

@

TMNTSSB4 Meta Knight didn't get nerfed. Not sure where you heard that.

In fact we got buffed.

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

ZTD | TECHnology said:
Did Dair always AutoCancel on SH so easily?

@ TMNTSSB4 Meta Knight didn't get nerfed. Not sure where you heard that.

In fact we got buffed.

I was already corrected earlier in the 1.10 patch thread. Told me that it looks like a nerf, but it's really a buff.

Thinktron · Jul 31, 2015

So pit was very very slightly de-cloned further in this patch with some minor but welcome buffs

I always saw dark pit as slightly worse, do you guys think it is because dark pit is more common?

Tito Maas · Jul 31, 2015

Thinktron said:
So pit was very very slightly de-cloned further in this patch with some minor but welcome buffs

I always saw dark pit as slightly worse, do you guys think it is because dark pit is more common?

It's because Dark Pit was lazily made and they didn't have a concrete plan for him going forward, just like in KIU. There is no reason to give him the Dr. Mario treatment where he's nothing but an inferior version of the original in every way. That was cool back in Melee--especially when Dr. Mario was better than Mario in Melee--but in Smash 4 that **** is terrible.

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Tito Maas said:
It's because Dark Pit was lazily made and they didn't have a concrete plan for him going forward, just like in KIU. There is no reason to give him the Dr. Mario treatment where he's nothing but an inferior version of the original in every way. That was cool back in Melee--especially when Dr. Mario was better than Mario in Melee--but in Smash 4 that **** is terrible.

But unlike Dark Pit, Dr.Mario has been getting buffs every patch, giving hI'm something that's better than Mario in some shape or form(his buffed up smash he has now for and some more combos for example)

SilverWolfLaguz · Jul 31, 2015

Do you think the Pit/DP situation will ever be like Melee Marth and Roy?

Thinktron · Jul 31, 2015

Tito Maas said:
It's because Dark Pit was lazily made and they didn't have a concrete plan for him going forward, just like in KIU. There is no reason to give him the Dr. Mario treatment where he's nothing but an inferior version of the original in every way. That was cool back in Melee--especially when Dr. Mario was better than Mario in Melee--but in Smash 4 that **** is terrible.

Dark pit ducks a few pixels lower than pit, the only area he is better than pit if im not mistaken

Making dark pit slower but a harder hitter would of made more sense, maybe give him some of pits specials from brawl. or have a throw that uses the dark pit staff, hell give him some of the custom moves as default surly thats something the could patch in right? At least in the case of Doc and Marth-with-boobs they play differently...

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

SilverWolfLaguz said:
Do you think the Pit/DP situation will ever be like Melee Marth and Roy?

Which Marth was better? Pit would be the better one in both games.

Wintropy · Jul 31, 2015

Pit is still the best character.

*Vanishes within the aether*

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Wintropy said:
Pit is still the best character.

*Vanishes within the aether*

Pit is the best character and noone can stop his Uprising to victory

*Vanishes to a hot spring mansion...made of floor ice cream*

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

TMNTSSB4 said:
Good huge or bad huge?

Good huge. Albit it's only for shorter ranges, it means Pit can shoot out a bunch of arrows quickly to break up campers.

Assuming we're not all idiots and just haven't seen this before. :estatic:

SilverWolfLaguz said:
Do you think the Pit/DP situation will ever be like Melee Marth and Roy?

You mean... Worse? Doubt that. He just needs a bit more. Doc only got his new Usmash this patch, and nothing else. Pittwo could easily get something like a piercing effect on his arrows before alls said and done.

Oh yeah, I've had some time to check out the new stages. N64 Dreamland's blastzones are huge... Which is a good thing, since Pit lives longer then most on stages like this. For Dark Pit especially, he can Fspecial out lower and still recover.

Peach's castle is great for Pit. On the top platform we can KO much earlier off the top then other stages. Bottom platform Pit can capture people with his new rapid jab by either riding it forward into an enemy stopping himself from being pushed backwards by getting up against the wall. If you ever get the opponent offstage then you can threaten them away from the scrolling platform pretty easily and make it back yourself. It's also great for sharking no matter which way it's moving. And then Pit's Fthrow is great for early KOs down there, especially since he can stall it with pummels. Almost every position is a good position for Pit on this stage.

Wintropy said:
Pit is still the best character.

*Vanishes within the aether*

No need to disappear like the girl from Ch. 18. How's it been going? ~~Any placebo you wanna share?~~

Wintropy · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
No need to disappear like the girl from Ch. 18. How's it been going? ~~Any placebo you wanna share?~~

I think it's time I told you, I am the girl from Ch. 18.

I grew up and turned into a cat.

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

Zapp Branniglenn said:
Whoa, I actually didn't know Pit's arrows has that fast of an IASA frame from the air. Sure enough, there's just as clear of a reduction on Pit's arrows from the air. When both fired synchronized arrows from a full hop, post-patch pit was able to double jump sooner after firing.

Just sharing your confirmation on the news. :bluejump:

This is Pit's big buff, haha.

Wintropy · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
Just sharing your confirmation on the news. This is Pit's big buff, haha.

The prophecy is true!

The day of deliverance is here!

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
Good huge. Albit it's only for shorter ranges, it means Pit can shoot out a bunch of arrows quickly to break up campers.

Assuming we're not all idiots and just haven't seen this before.

That is awesome, atleast it explains why I made a For Glory Toon Link(or whatever the tournament spammers would be called) with the arrows. Sakurai did good with Pit.

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
Just sharing your confirmation on the news. This is Pit's big buff, haha.

Wintropy said:
The prophecy is true!

The day of deliverance is here!

I've been saying since the game came out on 3DS in Japan that Pit would get buffed. I'm so happy that it finally happened.

Tito Maas · Jul 31, 2015

I'm nowhere near as good with Pit as I should/need to be :/

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

Tito Maas said:
I'm nowhere near as good with Pit as I should/need to be :/

You don't get good overnight, man.

The Merc · Jul 31, 2015

Hey guys, is it true that Pit's arrow's have less end lag?

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Unknown Hero said:
Hey guys, is it true that Pit's arrow's have less end lag?

Fortunately yes

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

Unknown Hero said:
Hey guys, is it true that Pit's arrow's have less end lag?

http://gfycat.com/ImpeccableFantasticInganue Yep. In the air too.

The Merc · Jul 31, 2015

TMNTSSB4 said:
Fortunately yes

LancerStaff said:
http://gfycat.com/ImpeccableFantasticInganue Yep. In the air too.

YAAA!!!

And his Down B too?!

SilverWolfLaguz · Jul 31, 2015

Unknown Hero said:
YAAA!!!

And his Down B too?!

GO feels faster, but it could just be me.

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

GOs buff was placebo. Or somehow Kurogane hammer goofed and ended up writing the same frame it actually ended up on now.

Tito Maas · Jul 31, 2015

LancerStaff said:
You don't get good overnight, man.

Been playing as Pit since March.

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Unknown Hero said:
YAAA!!!

And his Down B too?!

It's faster aswell. Pit even has his ko moves kill a tad bit early now.

Tito Maas · Jul 31, 2015

Hey guys I guess this is kinda random lol but I really really wish Pit had the intro cry that he has in Project M:

SN: That (lack of) endlag as well as the curvability on those arrows is beautiful

Also his aerial arrow animation, which I feel like they shouldn't have gotten rid of, especially since they kept the hammer animation. Give Pit his classic aerial arrow animation, give Dark Pit the current one since he never appeared in the retro Kid Icarus games. #genius

Tito Maas · Jul 31, 2015

omg I'm watching this video and I will not play Smash 5 if Pit's arrows aren't like how they are in Project M

So perfect omg

The Merc · Jul 31, 2015

TMNTSSB4 said:
It's faster aswell. Pit even has his ko moves kill a tad bit early now.

LancerStaff said:
GOs buff was placebo. Or somehow Kurogane hammer goofed and ended up writing the same frame it actually ended up on now.

Are you both sure?

Tito Maas said:
Hey guys I guess this is kinda random lol but I really really wish Pit had the intro cry that he has in Project M:

SN: That (lack of) endlag as well as the curvability on those arrows is beautiful

Also his aerial arrow animation, which I feel like they shouldn't have gotten rid of, especially since they kept the hammer animation. Give Pit his classic aerial arrow animation, give Dark Pit the current one since he never appeared in the retro Kid Icarus games. #genius

I wouldn't mind if that kept the speed they have. Just get rid of that endlag. But I tell you what I wish the did. I wish the made it so the Pit's arrows speed up and became more powerful the further they travel and that Dark Pit's Arrows where stronger close up. Just like in Uprising. That would have been amazing

Koiba · Jul 31, 2015

Tito Maas said:
I also got this cool custom art button from this Etsy shop. She has one for all of the characters:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/239435792/super-smash-bros-dark-pit?ref=shop_home_active_1&ga_search_query=Dark+Pit

https://www.etsy.com/shop/ButtonMashing

Kyaa~

That

adorable~

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Unknown Hero said:
Are you both sure?

I wouldn't mind if that kept the speed they have. Just get rid of that endlag. But I tell you what I wish the did. I wish the made it so the Pit's arrows speed up and became more powerful the further they travel and that Dark Pit's Arrows where stronger close up. Just like in Uprising. That would have been amazing

LancerStaff is the most trusting person out of every Pit/Dark Pit player, who also does testing on them. He's been 99% right so far.

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

Tito Maas said:
Been playing as Pit since March.

Been playing Smash as competitively as I can for two or three years and I still need a ton of work. Takes some time, friend.

The Merc · Jul 31, 2015

TMNTSSB4 said:
LancerStaff is the most trusting person out of every Pit/Dark Pit player, who also does testing on them. He's been 99% right so far.

So, no GO buff? Dam

Arrows is still nice though

TMNTSSB4 · Jul 31, 2015

Unknown Hero said:
So, no GO buff? Dam

Arrows is still nice though

GO was buffed. He only made a mistake when he was tired, saying a fully charged Palutena Bow arrow kills at 115%...it was 225% or 215% instead.

LancerStaff · Jul 31, 2015

TMNTSSB4 said:
GO was buffed. He only made a mistake when he was tired, saying a fully charged Palutena Bow arrow kills at 115%...it was 225% or 215% instead.

No... GOs are the same. At first I thought default was faster then Amplifing, but that was incorrect. Then I looked at Kurogane Hammer and tested it's data, and it was correct.

Arrows were really a typo though.

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