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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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If GF wants a new Pokemon in the port, we're gonna get a 7th gen. If not, we probably won't get any new Pokemon. And of the 7th gen, I find Decidueye the most likely. But I couldn't care less about actually getting Decidueye, or any seventh gen Pokemon. However... if we were to get a 7th gen, I would want Decidueye the most, as of the mons I like in the gen, it's the one with the best chance (read: the only one with a chance).

Does that make me a bandwagoner? I don't care if we get a new Pokemon, but if we do I expect Decidueye. But not because I want it to be so. Though I do want it to be so, should I have to choose. It's all very conflicting. :p
 
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If GF wants a new Pokemon in the port, we're gonna get a 7th gen. If not, we probably won't get any new Pokemon. And of the 7th gen, I find Decidueye the most likely. But I couldn't care less about actually getting Decidueye, or any seventh gen Pokemon. However... if we were to get a 7th gen, I would want Decidueye the most, as of the mons I like in the gen, it's the one with the best chance (read: the only one with a chance).
Oh, don't worry, there's about a 90% chance any new mons we get in the Switch version will be from Gen 7 (the other 10% being a surprise veteran or someone who was considered for the base roster, was shelved, but got a second chance with the Switch port). Sun and Moon are brand new and relevant, and there're quite a few interesting choices to be had there.

That said, I wouldn't assume Decidueye is the only one who has any chance. We've already seen how unpredictable the roster can be, and considering Smash 4's newcomers so far, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we got multiple new mons if the Switch version has enough new content. There's that much potential there, and Pokémon is becoming bigger than ever. It's like I've mentioned in my videos, I could see a scenario where we got ~7-8 new characters, and both Decidueye and someone like Lycanroc got in together.
 
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That said, I wouldn't assume Decidueye is the only one who has any chance.
Well, I didn't. I prefaced it with "of the Pokemon I like in the generation", Decidueye is the only one with a chance. Not that of the whole gen he's the only one with a chance.

We've already seen how unpredictable the roster can be, and considering Smash 4's newcomers so far, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we got multiple new mons if the Switch version has enough new content. There's that much potential there, and Pokémon is becoming bigger than ever. It's like I've mentioned in my videos, I could see a scenario where we got ~7-8 new characters, and both Decidueye and someone like Lycanroc got in together.
I think you may be overestimating how expansive this port is going to be. As well as how much of a role Gen 7 Pokemon will play in it.
 

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It doesn't necessarily have to do with Smash for the Switch, but a new Smash amiibo CPSIA has been spotted, interestingly enough, it's one letter past what people were expecting for the last of Bayo, Corrin and Cloud, so maybe it's out of order, maybe it's an alt for one of the characters, maybe it's something entirely new, or maybe it's literally nothing, I don't know.
 

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I now remember the time that there was a guy pretty adamant on Victini being extremely likely. I know I took it far with Impa, I'll own that, but it's ironic how things turned out. Greninja... I have grown to like him more cause of Smash I guess. Still an overall cool inclusion I think, one of my favorite newcomers in retrospect.
 

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I now remember the time that there was a guy pretty adamant on Victini being extremely likely. I know I took it far with Impa, I'll own that, but it's ironic how things turned out. Greninja... I have grown to like him more cause of Smash I guess. Still an overall cool inclusion I think, one of my favorite newcomers in retrospect.
Makes me wonder if I'm the only one who's newcomer desires for Smash 5 differ greatly from Smash 4.
 

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Mine are exactly the same cause no character I wanted in made it har har har
Sorry to hear about that.

I wanted Shulk, Duck Hunt, and Palutena, and they got in just fine, and I'm not worried about them getting cut.

My desires also differ mainly because of great Nintendo titles that came out AFTER Smash 4, but another notable reason is that I left the Sonic fanbase and swore I would never return.
 
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There was three that I wanted and imagined Pre-4.

It'll be a crime if Paper Mario gets "ripped off" again. -Cue How I Met Your Mother laugh track- Although I suppose I care less now that I know I may not ever end up purchasing a new game in the series again.

Then there's Ghirahim, who was basically my "Impa". But even before release I cooled off on that, the Assist Trophy reveal actually pleased me. Smash 4 was his best opportunity, so that hope has been laid to rest in peace.

And finally Geno, who while I still think is cool, after all this time I've gone way past the point of anticipating it. Geno was given Mii costume status, and that's "fitting" for someone who only "starred* in one SNES game. -Cue the exact same laugh track again-

For the newcomer DLC poll I voted for Bayonetta and incredibly she got in, so I mained her on principle, although I actually enjoyed how she plays. I'll be seriously disappointed if this was a one time thing, which I kinda fear. A Bayonetta 3 announcement would clear that right up for me though.



In terms of port additions I'd say Inkling--who had been advocated for a long time--has grown on me a lot knowing now that it's returning. Incineroar, or indeed Decidueye, would also be incredible. Really, a 7th generation Pokemon, even if it's a Sakurai curveball of a choice, would probably get me excited. Bomberman would be a shock as well.

Although really given that we're speaking of a Smash port, I'm not expecting all that much. If it exists, it at least won't be Mario Kart Deluxe levels of added content given that it's apparently not ready enough to even be mentioned. And knowing Nintendo, it feels like they'd at least definitively mention it's presence (outside of a supposed Reggie "slip" in an interview or something I read some days ago).
 
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I would be 100% content with this roster for a Sm4sh Porth.

[/spoliler]

There's just something gratifyingly complete about it.
If they brought back every stage as well...
Then we'd be talking.
 
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Well, I didn't. I prefaced it with "of the Pokemon I like in the generation", Decidueye is the only one with a chance. Not that of the whole gen he's the only one with a chance.
Couple days late, but I'm sorry about the misunderstanding. I thought you were writing off every Alola mon other than Decidueye. I can respect personal preference, especially since my own preferences aren't all that conventional. Who else are you interested in that you think are no-hopers, if I may ask?

I think you may be overestimating how expansive this port is going to be. As well as how much of a role Gen 7 Pokemon will play in it.
Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but it honestly seems like a lot of Pokémon characters have the exact traits Sakurai has said his team looks for. After all, we got four of them in Brawl, and we got two DLC characters from another franchise with a rotating cast, so it's a legitimate scenario worth taking a look at.

As is the chance of us getting more new characters in this port than some people are expecting. I don't know how likely 8 or more is, but it's still worth speculating about. Even if it's just for fun.
 
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If you ask me, I'm optimistic that Smash for Nintendo Switch will be a completely new installment based on built from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

I think they could get away with it. Nintendo Switch is basically a slightly more powerful Wii U. Nintendo has made games that use ripped assets from a previous console like Mario Kart Wii which used models from Double Dash.

What I'm proposing is a port, treated as a sequel. Containing all the content from Smash for Wii U, but having just as much new content as if it were a brand new Smash game, but they won't have to worry about cuts because the veterans have already been made.

We could possibly see a normal amount of newcomers, stages, Pokemon, Assist Trophies, and possibly new modes like Adventure, bonus stages like Break The Targets, new stages for series like EarthBound and F-Zero, maybe even content from the 3DS Version.

And we'd of course have custom moves for DLC characters and maybe some more content from Final Fantasy. Or a new Pikmin character. Who knows. (Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a complete return of past characters with the exception of undoable ones like Young Link & Snake)

It would be a smart decision. With Nintendo Switch coming earlier than most consoles successors because of the Wii U's failure, people are going to expect Smash for the Switch, and if we have to wait for Smash for Wii U/3DS to become old enough, we might not get another Smash game for 6 years. Nintendo Switch is going to be older than Wii U at that point and Smash games are usually expected to be revealed at least the year after the new console.

That being said, I have some expectations in terms of characters.
  • Decidueye
  • Inkling
  • Elma
  • Rhythm Heaven Troupe
  • Alph or Louie
  • Shadow The Hedgehog
  • Possibly Dixie Kong to please the fans. I don't see another Donkey Kong character as something that's in order when we have Donkey & Diddy
  • Possibly Toon Zelda, again to please fans complaining about supposedly "underrepresented" Legend of Zelda.
  • Wolf
  • Ice Climbers
  • Takamaru
  • Pauline (Special/Retro Character)
  • Bomberman if requested enough
  • Shantae or Shovel Knight as special representation of Nintendo's love of Indie developers

  • Prof. Oak (tosses three Pokeballs in the air)
  • Pak E. Derm
  • Karate Joe
  • Eggplant Wizard
  • Kamek (changes each character differently to Giant, Metal, Tiny, Invincible, Healed)
  • Rambi
  • Spring Man
  • M. Bison
  • Black Mage
  • Jeanne
 
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I wonder if Kirby's final smash would be him using his mech from Planet Robobot. Heaven knows it's pretty fun to use, the player could control it in order to beat up enemies before it fades.
 

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I wonder if Kirby's final smash would be him using his mech from Planet Robobot. Heaven knows it's pretty fun to use, the player could control it in order to beat up enemies before it fades.
I doubt it. I don't think they give out new Final Smashes every time a game comes out.
 

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I doubt it. I don't think they give out new Final Smashes every time a game comes out.
True, Mario's has always been his fireballs and Jigglypuff has always been her growing big. The reason I thought that Kirby's Final Smash may change is because the game designers replaced his cooking pot Final Smash for a sword one for Smash Bros 4.
 

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Hmm...I've been thinking about some beta elements from Melee, and Metamon comes to mind. He was meant to morph into a CPU-controlled assistant but due programming constraints, Metamon was scrapped. I figure with the ever-advancing technology the developers should be able to make Metamon a Pokèball Pokèmon.

It also had me think, what if Tekken's Mokujin or Combot could be an Assist Trophy for the next Smash? Not unlike Metamon, they can mimic other characters. As an assistant, his A.I. level is set to 9; he takes on a random fighter's move set; he is also under the maximum rage effect to make him more likely to score kills for y'all. Now...I know Tekken elements will not be a reality in the Smash universe, but it sure sounds like a good idea.
 

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I've been kind of thinking about the challenges that could be implemented onto Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch. Here are some ideas...

ChallengesSSB.png


Note: Boxes that are "khaki" colored would reward the player with a Golden Hammer, while the "tomato" colored boxes are immune to Golden Hammers.
 
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*Opens spoiler box*

"Whoa nelly."
Are you surprised about the amount of challenges? Brawl had as many as 128, while my concept only has 120 (equal to that of Kirby Air Ride's checklist objectives for each game mode).

If not the amount of challenges, then I'm probably guessing that you're concerned about the difficulty of the harder challenges. Let's just say that the harder challenges in my concept are less absurd than what Smash Wii U offered us, and there aren't as many Golden Hammer immune challenges as well.
 

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Are you surprised about the amount of challenges? Brawl had as many as 128, while my concept only has 120 (equal to that of Kirby Air Ride's checklist objectives for each game mode).

If not the amount of challenges, then I'm probably guessing that you're concerned about the difficulty of the harder challenges. Let's just say that the harder challenges in my concept are less absurd than what Smash Wii U offered us, and there aren't as many Golden Hammer immune challenges as well.
No, I was just off put by such a long spoiler box full of information.
 

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I love how I went into a very elaborate comment about the potential of how the Smash Switch Port could work as a fully fledged new installment and the only response was to minoot comment that devolved into an argument about Young Link of all things.

Here's the original post if anyone actually wants to talk about Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch:


If you ask me, I'm optimistic that Smash for Nintendo Switch will be a completely new installment built from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

I think they could get away with it. Nintendo Switch is basically a slightly more powerful Wii U. Nintendo has made games that use ripped assets from a previous console like Mario Kart Wii which used models from Double Dash.

What I'm proposing is a port, treated as a sequel. Containing all the content from Smash for Wii U, but having just as much new content as if it were a brand new Smash game, but they won't have to worry about cuts because the veterans have already been made.

We could possibly see a normal amount of newcomers, stages, Pokemon, Assist Trophies, and possibly new modes like Adventure, bonus stages like Break The Targets, new stages for series like EarthBound and F-Zero, maybe even content from the 3DS Version.

And we'd of course have custom moves for DLC characters and maybe some more content from Final Fantasy. Or a new Pikmin character. Who knows. (Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a complete return of past characters with the exception of undoable ones like Young Link & Snake)

It would be a smart decision. With Nintendo Switch coming earlier than most consoles successors because of the Wii U's failure, people are going to expect Smash for the Switch, and if we have to wait for Smash for Wii U/3DS to become old enough, we might not get another Smash game for 6 years. Nintendo Switch is going to be older than Wii U at that point and Smash games are usually expected to be revealed at least the year after the new console.


That being said, I have some expectations in terms of characters.
  • Decidueye
  • Inkling
  • Elma
  • Rhythm Heaven Troupe
  • Alph or Louie
  • Shadow The Hedgehog
  • Possibly Dixie Kong to please the fans. I don't see another Donkey Kong character as something that's in order when we have Donkey & Diddy
  • Possibly Toon Zelda, again to please fans complaining about supposedly "underrepresented" Legend of Zelda.
  • Wolf
  • Ice Climbers
  • Takamaru
  • Pauline (Special/Retro Character)
  • Bomberman if requested enough
  • Shantae or Shovel Knight as special representation of Nintendo's love of Indie developers

  • Prof. Oak (tosses three Pokeballs in the air)
  • Pak E. Derm
  • Karate Joe
  • Eggplant Wizard
  • Kamek (changes each character differently to Giant, Metal, Tiny, Invincible, Healed)
  • Rambi
  • Spring Man
  • M. Bison
  • Black Mage
  • Jeanne

If this game is a brand new installment built from assets of the previous game, I would expect it to be revealed in 2018 and released 2018-2019.

Or maybe...we'll see it at E3...
 
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So once again, trying to start a very detailed discussion about SSB for Switch and I get called out for mentioning a character.

Oh please. Everyone knows that character will NEVER be playable.
And how do they know that?

If this were a game being built from scratch, I'd agree with you. But, if Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch is indeed being built from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, then the veterans have already been built. This means there is not a lot of competition from newcomers. We could see newcomers that were normally out of the question in the past.

Fans were certain they'd never see two third party characters from the same company, and many fans are clamoring for a second Sonic character. Shadow is as popular as they come and the Sonic The Hedgehog universe is both rich in characters and the most prominent out of the third-party universes represented in Super Smash Bros. You might be underestimating how many fans have requested Shadow The Hedgehog.

In a game that's about adding on to an already completed roster and where more time can be focused on newcomers, we could very well see Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch give some more attention to the Sonic The Hedgehog universe which is what a lot of fans have been wanting to see for a while.
 
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So once again, trying to start a very detailed discussion about SSB for Switch and I get called out for mentioning a character.


And how do they know that?

If this were a game being built from scratch, I'd agree with you. But, if Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch is indeed being built from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, then the veterans have already been built. This means there is not a lot of competition from newcomers. We could see newcomers that were normally out of the question in the past.

Fans were certain they'd never see two third party characters from the same company, and many fans are clamoring for a second Sonic character. Shadow is as popular as they come and the Sonic The Hedgehog universe is both rich in characters and the most prominent out of the third-party universes represented in Super Smash Bros. You might be underestimating how many fans have requested Shadow The Hedgehog.

In a game that's about adding on to an already completed roster and where more time can be focused on newcomers, we could very well see Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch give some more attention to the Sonic The Hedgehog universe which is what a lot of fans have been wanting to see for a while.
Dude, it's not you or me, if a franchise isn't owned by Nintendo, then there's really no point in having that franchise be involved in a Nintendo all star fighting game. They're just guest franchises. I'm not saying that all of the third party characters are getting cut, I'm just asking you to consider how a second representative for a third party franchise would automatically make the game lose focus on its prime directive of being Nintendo first and foremost.

Popularity alone will not get you into Super Smash Bros.
 
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I love how I went into a very elaborate comment about the potential of how the Smash Switch Port could work as a fully fledged new installment and the only response was to minoot comment that devolved into an argument about Young Link of all things.

Here's the original post if anyone actually wants to talk about Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch:


If you ask me, I'm optimistic that Smash for Nintendo Switch will be a completely new installment built from Super Smash Bros. for Wii U.

I think they could get away with it. Nintendo Switch is basically a slightly more powerful Wii U. Nintendo has made games that use ripped assets from a previous console like Mario Kart Wii which used models from Double Dash.

What I'm proposing is a port, treated as a sequel. Containing all the content from Smash for Wii U, but having just as much new content as if it were a brand new Smash game, but they won't have to worry about cuts because the veterans have already been made.

We could possibly see a normal amount of newcomers, stages, Pokemon, Assist Trophies, and possibly new modes like Adventure, bonus stages like Break The Targets, new stages for series like EarthBound and F-Zero, maybe even content from the 3DS Version.

And we'd of course have custom moves for DLC characters and maybe some more content from Final Fantasy. Or a new Pikmin character. Who knows. (Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a complete return of past characters with the exception of undoable ones like Young Link & Snake)

It would be a smart decision. With Nintendo Switch coming earlier than most consoles successors because of the Wii U's failure, people are going to expect Smash for the Switch, and if we have to wait for Smash for Wii U/3DS to become old enough, we might not get another Smash game for 6 years. Nintendo Switch is going to be older than Wii U at that point and Smash games are usually expected to be revealed at least the year after the new console.


That being said, I have some expectations in terms of characters.
  • Decidueye
  • Inkling
  • Elma
  • Rhythm Heaven Troupe
  • Alph or Louie
  • Shadow The Hedgehog
  • Possibly Dixie Kong to please the fans. I don't see another Donkey Kong character as something that's in order when we have Donkey & Diddy
  • Possibly Toon Zelda, again to please fans complaining about supposedly "underrepresented" Legend of Zelda.
  • Wolf
  • Ice Climbers
  • Takamaru
  • Pauline (Special/Retro Character)
  • Bomberman if requested enough
  • Shantae or Shovel Knight as special representation of Nintendo's love of Indie developers

  • Prof. Oak (tosses three Pokeballs in the air)
  • Pak E. Derm
  • Karate Joe
  • Eggplant Wizard
  • Kamek (changes each character differently to Giant, Metal, Tiny, Invincible, Healed)
  • Rambi
  • Spring Man
  • M. Bison
  • Black Mage
  • Jeanne

If this game is a brand new installment built from assets of the previous game, I would expect it to be revealed in 2018 and released 2018-2019.

Or maybe...we'll see it at E3...
It could happen but I doubt it will. Of course they "could get away with it"; they "could get away with" simply making a straight port of Smash Wii U and having it sell because it's Smash. If it's literally the Wii U version with more stuff people are going to see through it pretty quick, and those uninformed enough to think it's a new one probably didn't buy the Wii U version in the first place and therefore would buy the port regardless of new content, or would be satisfied with only a select few newcomers. As would the more dedicated fanbase as well, given how rabid we tend to be.

They're going to get more sales out of an enhanced port + eventual true sequel than an enhanced port masquerading as a sequel, so dev time & monetary investment is better spent bolstering and perfecting the true sequel given it will be the one to sell more anyway, even if it's late to the console's life cycle. That's part of the reason we're getting a port in the first place, to get a Smash on the Switch sooner than later.
 
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It could happen but I doubt it will. Of course they "could get away with it"; they "could get away with" simply making a straight port of Smash Wii U and having it sell because it's Smash. If it's literally the Wii U version with more stuff people are going to see through it pretty quick, and those uninformed enough to think it's a new one probably didn't buy the Wii U version in the first place and therefore would buy the port regardless of new content, or would be satisfied with only a select few newcomers. As would the more dedicated fanbase as well, given how rabid we tend to be.

They're going to get more sales out of an enhanced port + eventual true sequel than an enhanced port masquerading as a sequel, so dev time & monetary investment is better spent bolstering and perfecting the true sequel given it will be the one to sell more anyway, even if it's late to the console's life cycle. That's part of the reason we're getting a port in the first place, to get a Smash on the Switch sooner than later.
Smash games usually come out shortly after the beginning of the console's life span. Smash for Wii U came out near the end.

The game is 3 years old so there is NO WAY they have already begun development on a brand new game from scratch. My concern is that by they time they do, the Nintendo Switch could be 6-7 years old or even discontinued. Doesn't seem like a good marketing decision to me. People are going to complain that Nintendo went through an entire console and all they got out of Smash was a few newcomers.

I'm not suggested a straight port with lots of new content. All I'm suggesting that they will reuse is character models and such. There could probably be a new opening, new menu, completely different modes.

Basically it'd be no more of a port than Mario Kart Wii. Mario Kart Wii is an example of a game that just reuses already developed assets.

if a franchise isn't owned by Nintendo, then there's really no point in having that franchise be involved in a Nintendo all star fighting game.
I...I don't know how to respond to something completely devoid from reality.
 
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Dude, it's not you or me, if a franchise isn't owned by Nintendo, then there's really no point in having that franchise be involved in a Nintendo all star fighting game.
I don't think we'll be seeing Shadow playable anytime soon, but that'd be a better argument if there weren't already a bunch of franchises not owned by Nintendo in Smash.

They're just guest franchises.
There are a lot of inferences in the word "guest" that aren't actually there. People used to think it meant a series wouldn't be asked back, like you can only have a guest over once, but then Sonic happened. Now it means you can only have one character from a franchise? That's not what guest means either. Can you not have two guests arrive from the same place?

Fire Emblem was a guest franchise in PXZ2. Star Wars was a guest franchise in SoulCalibur. Animal Crossing is a guest franchise in Mario Kart. So is Pac-Man. Mario was a guest franchise in SSX. All got more than one character.

I'm not saying that all of the third party characters are getting cut, I'm just asking you to consider how a second representative for a third party franchise would automatically make the game lose focus on its prime directive of being Nintendo first and foremost.
If Smash somehow gets outweighed by third-parties I will agree it's focus of being primarily Nintendo will be lost, but having a second character from one franchise isn't going to tip that boat. Especially when the Nintendo to third-party ratio will remain around 5:1.
 
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I'm just asking you to consider how a second representative for a third party franchise would automatically make the game lose focus on its prime directive of being Nintendo first and foremost.
Having a variety of non-Nintendo characters in Smash? Not a problem.
Having non-Nintendo characters in Smash with very little Nintendo relevance? Not a problem.
Any of those non-Nintendo characters being from the same company as one another? Not a problem.
Any of those non-Nintendo characters being from the same franchise as one another? OMG THE GAME ISN'T ABOUT NINTENDO ANYMORE!!!


But go ahead.
Do tell us exactly how a second 3rd Party character from the same franchise as another supposedly "automatically makes the game lose focus on its prime directive of being Nintendo first and foremost".

While I feel outright expecting Shadow to be promoted to playable fighter for Smash Switch is setting up for disappointment, I find your incessant need to go out of your way to attack someone who even brings up the idea of him or any other Sonic character being playable for the sake of trying to prove to everyone you're no longer the rabid Sonic fanboy you once were to be irritating as sin. No one cares that you traded up Sonic for MLP, dude; you don't have to constantly remind us how you hate Sonic now by acting like a venomous ex-girlfriend over anything related to it.

And don't try to feed me any bull**** about "it's not just because he said he expects Shadow" because I guarantee that if he said he expected Chun-Li, Sephiroth, or Zero instead, you wouldn't be saying JACK about it despite your asinine "prime directive" statement applying to them as well.
 

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Is Sonic fanbase to MLP fanbase really trading up or more just a lateral move? ;P



plz no hurt :3
 

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I've been kind of thinking about the challenges that could be implemented onto Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch. Here are some ideas...

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I really like this sugar pie's style...

Yes, well...to everyone else: doesn't anyone here yearn for those realistic sound effects from the N64 Smash (JP version)? Maybe a faster pace gameplay to rival if not surpass Melee? Rather than hope and wish for veterans/newcomers, may I suggest changes in game mechanics? I've said this many times before but the return of L-cancelling and hit-stun cancelling would be nice. Items that have a chance of backfiring have these odds reduced to 5%. Explosive items never harm the thrower. I could go on and on, but I shan't.

Now, I've been contemplating the My Music feature for Brawl and 4 as well as TTT2's Tekken Tunes. Yeah, wouldn't it be nice to play Smash to your favorite music that's not on the game itself? They have so got to implement something like what TTT2 has...
 

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Having a variety of non-Nintendo characters in Smash? Not a problem.
Having non-Nintendo characters in Smash with very little Nintendo relevance? Not a problem.
Any of those non-Nintendo characters being from the same company as one another? Not a problem.
Any of those non-Nintendo characters being from the same franchise as one another? OMG THE GAME ISN'T ABOUT NINTENDO ANYMORE!!!


But go ahead.
Do tell us exactly how a second 3rd Party character from the same franchise as another supposedly "automatically makes the game lose focus on its prime directive of being Nintendo first and foremost".

While I feel outright expecting Shadow to be promoted to playable fighter for Smash Switch is setting up for disappointment, I find your incessant need to go out of your way to attack someone who even brings up the idea of him or any other Sonic character being playable for the sake of trying to prove to everyone you're no longer the rabid Sonic fanboy you once were to be irritating as sin. No one cares that you traded up Sonic for MLP, dude; you don't have to constantly remind us how you hate Sonic now by acting like a venomous ex-girlfriend over anything related to it.

And don't try to feed me any bull**** about "it's not just because he said he expects Shadow" because I guarantee that if he said he expected Chun-Li, Sephiroth, or Zero instead, you wouldn't be saying JACK about it despite your asinine "prime directive" statement applying to them as well.
I didn't even know this guy had it out for Sonic. But, I should have known by the first comment how antagonistic he was towards the mentioning of a character towards the series.

Referring to it as "THAT character" and that Everyone knows THAT character will NEVER be in Smash.

"No Sonic character will ever amount to anything in the history of Hill Valley!"
 

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I didn't even know this guy had it out for Sonic. But, I should have known by the first comment how antagonistic he was towards the mentioning of a character towards the series.

Referring to it as "THAT character" and that Everyone knows THAT character will NEVER be in Smash.

"No Sonic character will ever amount to anything in the history of Hill Valley!"
Lets just move on from this, shall we?

Anyone have any ideas for new stages in the Switch Smash title?
 

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Lets just move on from this, shall we?

Anyone have any ideas for new stages in the Switch Smash title?
*Would be nice*
  • Casino Night
  • Luigi's Mansion 2 (shifts to different mansions like Pokemon Stadium 2)
  • Magicant
  • Saturn Valley
  • Bowser's Castle
  • Windfall Island
  • Twilight River
*Would be nice*
 

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*Would be nice*
  • Casino Night
  • Luigi's Mansion 2 (shifts to different mansions like Pokemon Stadium 2)
  • Magicant
  • Saturn Valley
  • Bowser's Castle
  • Windfall Island
  • Twilight River
*Would be nice*
Windfall Island does sound nice, I agree. I've never played Luigi's Mansion before, so I can't judge that.

But I really agree that it's about time we see Bowser's Castle.
 

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While I feel outright expecting Shadow to be promoted to playable fighter for Smash Switch is setting up for disappointment
Just wanted to throw it out there that I can't say I really EXPECT him. I just don't want everyone to act baffled at the addition of another Sonic character if it happens because the idea has been so out of the question in recent years.

Smash for Switch may be a game that's about adding to the old roster rather than starting from scratch. We could very well see a different approach to adding newcomers. Sakurai may consider revisiting past universes, specifically ones that have been requested by fans to have more additions, rather than focusing on how many must-haves he can fit in before the deadline.

This is why I consider characters like Toon Zelda to be likely now more than ever. Characters that would normally not be important enough to focus on when starting from scratch, but make nice extras to an already completed game, and already completed universes like Zelda or Donkey Kong.
 
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Just wanted to through it out there that I can't say I really EXPECT him. I just don't want everyone to act baffled at the addition of another Sonic character if it happens because the idea has been so out of the question in recent years.
A second Sonic character is one I can see possibly happening in the future if Sonic ends up being more of a permanent guest for Smash.
I'm just not willing to speak with certainty on it or for a specific character (though reasonably, the hypothetical second Sonic character would be between Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, or Metal Sonic) since too many unknown variables are in play.



Smash for Switch may be a game that's about adding to the old roster rather than starting from scratch. We could very well see a different approach to adding newcomers. Sakurai may consider revisiting past universes, specifically ones that have been requested by fans to have more additions, rather than focusing on how many must-haves he can fit in before the deadline.

This is why I consider characters like Toon Zelda to be likely now more than ever. Characters that would normally not be important enough to focus on when starting from scratch, but make nice extras to an already completed game, and already completed universes like Zelda or Donkey Kong.
I really do not see characters being added for the sake of giving certain franchises more characters.
Especially not new filler clones such as Toon Zelda. (Tetra on the other hand.....)
 

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A second Sonic character is one I can see possibly happening in the future if Sonic ends up being more of a permanent guest for Smash.
I'm just not willing to speak with certainty on it or for a specific character (though reasonably, the hypothetical second Sonic character would be between Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Eggman, or Metal Sonic) since too many unknown variables are in play.




I really do not see characters being added for the sake of giving certain franchises more characters.
Especially not new filler clones such as Toon Zelda. (Tetra on the other hand.....)
I didn't say they would be added just for expanding a universe. I'm saying that might be taken into consideration. Toon Zelda & Dixie are not filler. They have numerous merits.
 
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