Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

So I was bored (waiting in the lab for my measurements to finish) so I decided to start a little thing.

You see, everyone keeps asking for peoples top-5 characters for smash, but there is a much more important question:
The top-5 SONGS that should be in smash.

For me, it goes a bit like this:

1. Dialga's Fight to the Finish (PMD2) https://youtu.be/wy9VvdaLuSs

2. Battle!! (Torna: the Golden Country) https://youtu.be/uRtAbX2-f3A

3. Rundas Battle (Metroid Prime 3) https://youtu.be/6nMFLquJeCc

4. Ghost Fight (Undertale) https://youtu.be/Zz1bfhtKsHM

5. VS Joe (Pokémon Battle Revolution) https://youtu.be/yp5XpFJHqzU

(6. Mt. Pyre peak, Pokémon Emerald, https://youtu.be/TEtlhq1PxI4)

1. Second Dark Matter Battle (PSMD) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4RUegWPdis
2. Beware the Forest's Mushrooms (SMRPG) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzKN3sjqZ2w
3. Wario Colosseum (MK:DD!!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMyFkraDzyY
4. What I'm Made Of (Sonic Heroes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvxT0RItYE
5. Bergentruckung + ASGORE (Undertale) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKLxc2NsNcg

 

[osby]

Agreed - all I can think of is it being some kind of counter, but that's nothing like how it works in game, plus lord know's we need yet another counter user

If it's anything unique like Revenge, sure.

I'd say Witch Time, but that move barely functions now, so whatever.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Have Emergency Exit function like Joker's trait in IJ1, if he successfully counters/parries an attack, he gets a speed boost for a while

 

[Ultomato]

I'm gonna do some self-imposed limitations.
1. No franchises without a playable character.
2. One song per franchise, tops.


Twilight of the Gods - Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia
Looker's Theme - Pokémon Platinum
Fight Theme (Aran Ryan) - Punch-Out!!
Puzzle Plank Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy 2
Menu - Pac-Man World 2

Honorable mentions could go on for days with Fire Emblem alone (Legend of the Divine Dragon, Divine Decree (Ablaze), Clash of Two Virtues...), not to mention Pokémon.

A Dark Fall would also be great imo

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Emergency Exit - Golisopod's movement speed increases once high percentages are reached.

 

[Ultomato]

Emergency Exit - Golisopod's movement speed increases once high percentages are reached.

Emergency Exit: Auto-dodges the first connecting move after passing 50% damage

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Emergency Exit: Auto-dodges the first connecting move after passing 50% damage

50% seems a little too early, maybe 100%

 

[Ultomato]

50% seems a little too early, maybe 100%

It's half of his HP in Pokémon, so you'd say half of kill-percent... 65 maybe?

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

It's half of his HP in Pokémon, so you'd say half of kill-percent... 65 maybe?

Assuming he'd be a somewhat heavy fighter, maybe. Also, I think auto-parrying would be better than dodging, but it would probably be broken.

 

[Gyrom8]

If it's anything unique like Revenge, sure.

I'd say Witch Time, but that move barely functions now, so whatever.

While Witch Time needed the nerfs, I'd love it if Smash had some kind of time-manipulating character (not too op though). Ubisoft's obvious 1st rep would be Rayman (yes plz) but I definitely wouldn't say no to the Prince from the Sands of Time trilogy.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

While Witch Time needed the nerfs, I'd love it if Smash had some kind of time-manipulating character (not too op though). Ubisoft's obvious rep would be Rayman (yes plz) but I definitely wouldn't say no to the Prince from the Sands of Time trilogy.

Sakuya Izayoi from Touhou

 

[Ultomato]

While Witch Time needed the nerfs, I'd love it if Smash had some kind of time-manipulating character (not too op though). Ubisoft's obvious rep would be Rayman (yes plz) but I definitely wouldn't say no to the Prince from the Sands of Time trilogy.

Did someone say Blinx the Time Sweeper?

 

[Deleted member]

Emergency Exit should be a passive ability that gets triggered when it takes enough damage. Maybe turn Golisopod invincibke for a few frames which allows him to escape combos or something? Likez you can translate it well but how do you make it interesting?

While Witch Time needed the nerfs, I'd love it if Smash had some kind of time-manipulating character (not too op though). Ubisoft's obvious rep would be Rayman (yes plz) but I definitely wouldn't say no to the Prince from the Sands of Time trilogy.

Prince would be the ****ery Smash needs with time travelling.
I still want a character that can just full on freeze time, even if just as a Final Smash

 

[TMNTSSB4]

So... people are developing a sequel to Project M, this time for Ultimate. The game has only been out for 1 month and people are already doing these mods. That's way faster than I expected.

wow...this is stupid of them to be doing this...just play the real Smash Ultimate or play Melee, stop trying to make a new game into something old

 

[Ultomato]

Did someone say Blinx the Time Sweeper?

I even once made a moveset for him (eons ago).
B: Suck
Sb: Garbage throw (with randomly selected garbage-items emerging from his Time-Vacuum-Cleaner. Like a ranged G&W, but less bull****)
Ub: Fast Forward (makes him move upward at insane speed and everyone caught in the stream moves uncontrollably fast untill the end of the move. Perfect for gimping)
Db: Rewind (A counter that moves the entire game 2 seconds back, timer and all, IF it connects)
Fs: Pause

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Emergency Exit should be a passive ability that gets triggered when it takes enough damage. Maybe turn Golisopod invincibke for a few frames which allows him to escape combos or something? Likez you can translate it well but how do you make it interesting?

Emergency Exit - Once Golisopod reaches 100%, every next strong hit (smash attacks, specials, anything that could kill) has a small chance of making Golisopod dodge backwards a short distance. Doesn't work if hit from behind.

B: Suck

My life as a move.

 

[Pakky]

I even once made a moveset for him (eons ago).
B: Suck

Fs: Pause

Two of my wife's moves.

*Drum noise*

 

[praline]

So... people are developing a sequel to Project M, this time for Ultimate. The game has only been out for 1 month and people are already doing these mods. That's way faster than I expected.

This is so dumb.

 

[Pakky]

This is so dumb.

I've never gotten this mentality myself.

Why don't they just make their own game?

Make it be better than smash. Why even waste time 'improving' on another's work?

 

[Ultomato]

I've never gotten this mentality myself.

Why don't they just make their own game?

Make it be better than smash. Why even waste time 'improving' on another's work?

This way it Just seems like telling Sakurai he's doing is wrong is more important to these people than making a good game

 

[LetterO]

So... people are developing a sequel to Project M, this time for Ultimate. The game has only been out for 1 month and people are already doing these mods. That's way faster than I expected.

Can modders go back to just putting nutshack characters over Little Mac or something instead of this?

 

[KingBroly]

This way it Just seems like telling Sakurai he's doing is wrong is more important to these people than making a good game

No, they're telling Sakurai they don't want what he makes and they'll modify his work to their heart's content.

 

[Pakky]

This way it Just seems like telling Sakurai he's doing is wrong is more important to these people than making a good game

The only thing I can give project M guys is that yes multiple character should have costumes, but that too may be coming down the pipe so I mean I don't get it.

Moderations are great things to put on a resume, but I feel this much man power and know how is going under utilized.

-Make your own characters

- Make your own story

- Be a better you and not a 'better' version of someone else.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

"Muh Wavedashing!!!11!!1!"

 

[Deleted member]

So... people are developing a sequel to Project M, this time for Ultimate. The game has only been out for 1 month and people are already doing these mods. That's way faster than I expected.

Snip

I mean, the fact this is being worked on so quickly is impressive and interesting on the technical side, but do we really need it? Ultimate should just be Ultimate. IMO, if you want to play Melee, just go play Melee.

I don't understand why some Smash fans want every single game to be the exact same game from 2001, or would even want Wave Dashing in this game when it would kind of be useless considering we have other movement options now (that aren't nearly as janky IMO).

 

[Gentlepanda]

I've never gotten this mentality myself.

Why don't they just make their own game?

Make it be better than smash. Why even waste time 'improving' on another's work?

they tried that with icons, and it turned out that actually making a game was too difficult for them

much easier to just butcher someone else's work

 

[Ultomato]

Oké, weird Idea:

Would people be interesten in a "Fictional Moveset" thread or something like that to share and discuss moves and special mechanics for characters that aren't/probably won't be in the game.

(If that already exists plox link me)

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

they tried that with icons, and it turned out that actually making a game was too difficult for them

much easier to just butcher someone else's work

I thought the problem with Icons was that it was just a boring and lifeless copy of Melee without any charm at all.

 

[Gentlepanda]

I thought the problem with Icons was that it was just a boring and lifeless copy of Melee without any charm at all.

soulless from the character design to the early access monetization

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Make it be better than smash

I am looking at something that will never happen...only Smash can be Smash

 

[Wyoming]

I mean...there's nothing wrong with modding. That includes gameplay tweaks.

The timing is a bit ambitious, and calling it Project M's spiritual successor is going to ruffle feathers due to that project's main reason for existing. However it won't show up at tournaments due to Nintendo's sponsorships, and people have less reason to ditch Ultimate than Brawl.

Y'all overreacting a bit.

 

[Deleted member]

Let's see here.... *pulls up list*


Ah!

what do you guys think is going to be the next major nintendo announcment(2nd and 1st party only)

 

[CannonStreak]

You know, with this new Project M thing and what people on this topic are saying about it, I would say it goes to show that if people wanted a Melee styled game with Ultimate, they must be clearly stuck in 2001.

 

[Deleted member]

what do you guys think is going to be the next major nintendo announcment(2nd and 1st party only)

Pokemon Gen 8 obviously

 

[Noipoi]

Let's see here.... *pulls up list*


Ah!

what do you guys think is going to be the next major nintendo announcment(2nd and 1st party only)

I dunno what many consider major, but i'm waiting for that Pokemon direct.

Mario odyssey 2, maybe?

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm, a game with a meta that hasn't been defined yet and is just getting its sea legs....

I know! Let's Melee-ify the **** out of it since we are incapable of moving on!

FFS.

 

[Pakky]

they tried that with icons, and it turned out that actually making a game was too difficult for them

much easier to just butcher someone else's work

That's a shame quitters never prosper.

You what's kinda bad about these kind of people (Some fakemon) in the Character creation department?

Nothing really 'makes visual' sense.

Like no one knows about real basic stuff like complementary colors, or proportion.

Like if you have a man right

Wouldn't it make sense to make the sidekick of said man look 'good' next to him and or attractively contrast with him?

Same goes for villains

Though if they're on the same team and have roughly the same values and traits, well make them similar

That's at least how I see things.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

This might be a good time to add that I’m making a series of videos with music that are much-needed in Smash. I’m currently sitting on 200 unique videos including PP, Joker, and Erdrick/RyuH/Steve/Doomslayer with plans to also include music with an Assist Trophy Rep or a Spirit Rep.

I’m always searching of new music to add so I am totally open to suggestions!

I have a few suggestions:

For Lucas:
- Mind of a Thief (or the official Arranged Version: Theme of Duster)
- Fight With Mecha-Drago
- Intense Guys
- Happy Town?!

For Snake:
- Enclosure
- OKB Zero
- V Has Come To
- Quiet's Theme

For Richter:
- Opus 13
- Sorrow's Distortion (could be for Simon too; it doesn't really matter)

 

[Pakky]

Hmm, a game with a meta that hasn't been defined yet and is just getting its sea legs....

I know! Let's Melee-ify the **** out of it since we are incapable of moving on!

FFS.

The baby ain't even a day old and they want him to walk.

Bruh these people, see you don't get this in any other section of the FGC .

Street Fighter for how jank 5 seems to be don't have fans chomping at the bit to mod Street Fighter 5 to be like 3rd strike.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean...there's nothing wrong with modding. That includes gameplay tweaks.

The timing is a bit ambitious, and calling it Project M's spiritual successor is going to ruffle feathers due to that project's main reason for existing. However it won't show up at tournaments due to Nintendo's sponsorships, and people have less reason to ditch Ultimate than Brawl.

Y'all overreacting a bit.

Modding is cool, and I have nothing against someone trying to make a spiritual Project M successor. I personally just don't think we need Melee's mechanics in Ultimate, as I feel Ultimate stands well on its own.

As I said, though, that is simply my own opinion. I'm sure there will be people interested in this, so more power to them! I at the very least am impressed and fascinated with how quickly modding for this game has started.