Something bothering you?

[Pikaville]

HOLY ****!

That's a Tiger sleeping on your lap! :3

 

[DTP]

I wanted to hug and squeeze it, but they wouldn't let me
<3 Tigers

 

[Pikaville]

Man that is such an epic picture though.

 

[DTP]

haha thanks

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

My sloppyness in maths. I understand all the theory but then I misplace a - somewhere or forget to add/subtract something and I end up failing the test >_<. I'm taking it again tomorrow, studied so much for it man. I hope I'll pass this test .

 

[RATED]

People on Smashboards amazing, haven't I already acknowledged that she may be different from me and that she isn't doing anything wrong?

Why did you even bother to quote me if you didn't read half of my post?

I read, also if you don't want to get different opinions... is your problem if you post that here.

don't post your "issues" next time if you are to act like that.

 

[Merkuri]

I read, also if you don't want to get different opinions... is your problem if you post that here.

don't post your "issues" next time if you are to act like that.

Oh no I like other people's opinions. It's just that a surprising amount of people's response to me that time was stupid and hardly even applicable to my situation.

 

[1048576]

It bothers me that people think all opinions should be given equal weight, from 'chickens are purple' to 'folders > 3-ring binders' to 'f-zero is harder than mario kart'

Actually that doesn't bother me so much. What really bothers me is when people think calling a demonstrably false fact (chickens are purple) an opinion gives it credence.

 

[Dre89]

But at the same time, opposing opinions on the same issue should be given equal freedom, but they aren't.

It's ok to say in public that you belive all races are equal, or that women are equal to men, but not ok to say races are unequal, or that women are inferior to men.

 

[1048576]

Oh man it's like you want to start an argument. Nope, nuh-uh, not gonna happen. I'm walking away from this one <3

 

[Merkuri]

But at the same time, opposing opinions on the same issue should be given equal freedom, but they aren't.

It's ok to say in public that you belive all races are equal, or that women are equal to men, but not ok to say races are unequal, or that women are inferior to men.

Quoted for truth. I like this guy.

It bothers me that people think all opinions should be given equal weight, from 'chickens are purple' to 'folders > 3-ring binders' to 'f-zero is harder than mario kart'

Actually that doesn't bother me so much. What really bothers me is when people think calling a demonstrably false fact (chickens are purple) an opinion gives it credence.

I missed this. So true.

 

[Luigitoilet]

But at the same time, opposing opinions on the same issue should be given equal freedom, but they aren't.

It's ok to say in public that you belive all races are equal, or that women are equal to men, but not ok to say races are unequal, or that women are inferior to men.

This is dumb (EDITED FOR MEANNESS. it's not fair to call out who I did again :3 )

There is equal legal freedom to say anything you like but there is a consequence to saying unpopular opinions in public. Sure, I'm free to say that ***s are lesser people than straight people, but it is not "wrong" that people get offended and call me out on that opinion because it is hateful and inflammatory.

 

[Dre89]

There's equal legal freedom, but there's less social freedom in that with those latter beliefs will get judged and stereotyped immediately before you can even explain why you feel that why.

104- I'm not here to start an argument. I'm not allowed to say what bothers me? Your post about opinions just reminded me of it, that's all.

 

[Merkuri]

There's equal legal freedom, but there's less social freedom in that with those latter beliefs will get judged and stereotyped immediately before you can even explain why you feel that why.

104- I'm not here to start an argument. I'm not allowed to say what bothers me? Your post about opinions just reminded me of it, that's all.

Yeah it's like you can't have a logical debate about what's wrong with homosexuals in some places, everyone will just attack you and say you're without even listening to your argument.

 

[DTP]

There's equal legal freedom, but there's less social freedom in that with those latter beliefs will get judged and stereotyped immediately before you can even explain why you feel that why.

Yeah it's like you can't have a logical debate about what's wrong with homosexuals in some places, everyone will just attack you and say you're without even listening to your argument.

Are you two honestly surprised by this though? Not saying that I kick and scream and throw chairs at people when I hear something offensive. But you can't expect everyone to remain calm and hear an argument out when they hear something they dislike.

Especially on smashboards. Getting into arguments on this site is pointless beyond belief imo lol

 

[Merkuri]

Are you two honestly surprised by this though? Not saying that I kick and scream and throw chairs at people when I hear something offensive. But you can't expect everyone to remain calm and hear an argument out when they hear something they dislike.

Especially on smashboards. Getting into arguments on this site is pointless beyond belief imo lol

Actually it is what should be expected. Why do people need to act like douchebags about an opinion you disagree with? If you disagree with what I say then tell me why, don't attack me over my opinion.

 

[1048576]

Well I'm sure you can understand why I would get upset with that. Think of how it would sound to you if I argued that brunettes (or whatever your hair-color is) are inferior, and then tried to back my opinion with "logic."

 

[Merkuri]

Well I'm sure you can understand why I would get upset with that. Think of how it would sound to you if I argued that brunettes (or whatever your hair-color is) are inferior, and then tried to back my opinion with "logic."

I have black hair. And I don't see why I'd be upset if you made such an argument. I'd ask you what leads you to that conclusion. And I wouldn't be a jerk about it and I wouldn't try to make fun of you as I engage in the debate.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Think about it. You are on a video game forum. Very few of the users here are looking for insightful debates about how homosexuals are the scum of the earth or whatever other bigoted thing you happen to believe.

If you're going to say something that is obviously bigoted or controversial, you should be making yourself as clear as possible from the very start. A lot of people seem to like making such statements solely to stir up controversy and get people to pay attention to them. it's friggin annoying, even if your intent is truly "have an openminded debate with MARIOSMASHBROPLAYER23425050" or whatever.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Sounds like Dre and Merkuri need to GO AWAY.

Smooth Criminal

 

[TigerWoods]

Dre is cute.

 

[Dre89]

Hold on a minute, when did I start an argument?

I specifically avoided mentioning homosexuals as to avoid offending anyone.

And my comment was in reference to society as a whole, not Smashboards in particular. I generally try to avoid debates about delicate issues on this site unless it's in the Debate Hall, but funny enough even there people will go off at you if your belief offends them, even if you haven't been rude at all.

Think about it. You are on a video game forum. Very few of the users here are looking for insightful debates about how homosexuals are the scum of the earth or whatever other bigoted thing you happen to believe.[/QUOTE]

It's amazing that you made this comment, because this is exactly what I was talking about. Generalising, oversimplifying and straw-manning a belief like what you have done just now is exactly what happens if you say a view that is not accepted in society. You have just proven my point.

The homosexuality one is interesting. People assume that everyone who is anti-homsoeuxality, are people that you referring to; people who hate the individual homosexual, rather than just disagreeing with the act, but still respecting the individual. People who think that gays are scum and that they should be burned at the stake or something ridiculous like that. I think that's the stereotype because only the people who are that ignorant, and the one's too inconsiderate of a homosexual's feelings (such as a lot of the fundamentalist Christians in America, far out they do alot of damage to the image of religion), who won't care about stating their beliefs and offending people are the ones who talk about it publicly. Whereas I think the majority of the rational anti-homosexuals keep their mouths shut because they don't wnat to offend anyone.

Again, my comment was in reference to society as a whole, not Smashboards in particular. I don't understand why people are making me out as a villian. I just made a comment saying I don't like how opposing opinions on a particular issue are not given equal social freedom, and just because other people overreacted, I'm the bad guy?

Seriously my comment was completely harmless until other people came and made a meal of it.

 

[Reizilla]

Agreeing with Dre. on this one. In the same way that you group all people that don't agree with homosexuality as absurd, burn-them-at-the-stake bigots, someone else hates gays because there's that one guy he knows who talks loud and parades around starting **** with everyone just because he's gay and he has to make it known.

 

[DTP]

Actually it is what should be expected. Why do people need to act like douchebags about an opinion you disagree with? If you disagree with what I say then tell me why, don't attack me over my opinion.

If only everyone did that eh?
There's almost always going to be one or two people that take offensive to an opinion and lash back. Debates would be much more enjoyable for me if that were the case

Again, my comment was in reference to society as a whole, not Smashboards in particular. I don't understand why people are making me out as a villian. I just made a comment saying I don't like how opposing opinions on a particular issue are not given equal social freedom, and just because other people overreacted, I'm the bad guy?

Seriously my comment was completely harmless until other people came and made a meal of it.

Wait, who was making you out as a villain? I personally respect you if you must know lol

 

[Luigitoilet]

I'm not using the word "bigot" solely to insult you. I'm using it is an objective adjective for what people who are intolerant of any minority sexuality are. That's part of what the word literally entails. You can't not be a bigot if you disapprove of a consensual, non-harmful sexual preference, unless you are simply just too ignorant to know any better. You are saying I'm attacking you, but that's like a KKK member taking offense to being referred to as "racist"

Should blatant hate speech or racism be tolerated without any fervor or dissent (using this as a more extreme example, NOT this specific situation/discussion)? I don't believe so, do you?

edit: LOL, i originally wrote "consensual" as "sensual"

 

[SuperBowser]

People do have social freedom to express their opinion. Others have the same freedom to state what they think of that opinion.

Personally I think concealed bigotry can be just as damaging as outward bigotry. You may not believe so but, clearly, many do. Sometimes, if comments are interpreted as such, it results in heated responses. In the case of homosexuality, simply not "agreeing" with it is taken as a form of bigotry by some.

Not much more to say =/

 

[Dre89]

Wait, who was making you out as a villain? I personally respect you if you must know lol

Thanks man. I respect you as well, you always seem to be the voice of reason in your posts (which is why I was really surprised when I saw that you wrote a fanfic, that seemed out of character for you lol).

I've always wanted to encourage you to join the Debate Hall, but at the same time I've always been worried you'd dislike me once you rea dthe threads and saw my opinions on things, especially homsosexuality.

LuigiToilet- No I don't think mindless racism or burn-at-the-stake anti-gays should be tolerated, because that is without reason. But if someone said they were racist, I'd give them a chance to rationally justify their belief before stereotyping them.

 

[Dre89]

Sorry for the double post. I've never understood why they're so disliked though.

People do have social freedom to express their opinion. Others have the same freedom to state what they think of that opinion.

Personally I think concealed bigotry can be just as damaging as outward bigotry. You may not believe so but, clearly, many do. Sometimes, if comments are interpreted as such, it results in heated responses. In the case of homosexuality, simply not "agreeing" with it is taken as a form of bigotry by some.

Not much more to say =/

But you're opinion here was at least rational. You haven't just blindy stereotyped all anti-gays, and started attacking them before they can rationally justify their position.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Thanks man. I respect you as well, you always seem to be the voice of reason in your posts (which is why I was really surprised when I saw that you wrote a fanfic, that seemed out of character for you lol).

I've always wanted to encourage you to join the Debate Hall, but at the same time I've always been worried you'd dislike me once you rea dthe threads and saw my opinions on things, especially homsosexuality.

LuigiToilet- No I don't think mindless racism or burn-at-the-stake anti-gays should be tolerated, because that is without reason. But if someone said they were racist, I'd give them a chance to rationally justify their belief before stereotyping them.

Yes, but rational as their reasons for their belief may be, it's still racism. You are sugarcoating your bigotry. Even if you have a subjectively really good reason for morally disagreeing with something people do not have power over, YOU ARE STILL A BIGOT.

I'm not calling everyone who thinks gay/bi people are lesser than straight people or that this non-mainstream behavior is "wrong" a bunch of redneck confederate flag wavers or something. I'm calling the pot black, because that's what it is.

 

[DTP]

Thanks man. I respect you as well, you always seem to be the voice of reason in your posts (which is why I was really surprised when I saw that you wrote a fanfic, that seemed out of character for you lol).

I've always wanted to encourage you to join the Debate Hall, but at the same time I've always been worried you'd dislike me once you rea dthe threads and saw my opinions on things, especially homsosexuality.

haha thanks

It is out of character for me tbh haha
Never thought I'd write a fanfic of all things, but it's kinda fun lol


Nah, it takes more than a couple disagreements on certain topics in a forum for me to dislike someone. Unless some of the things are THAT farfetched haha
I've lurked the debate hall a bit, even threads regarding homosexuailty. Your views and the points you were making were legitimate. Which was expected lol

 

[Dre89]

I've lurked the debate hall a bit, even threads regarding homosexuailty. Your views and the points you were making were legitimate. Which was expected lol

Lol really? Thanks. Tell that to all the straight people who were going off at me lol.

But really, if you joined the Debate Hall, you'd be one of the very few people there who is big enough to credit an argument that you disagree with as "legitimate". That takes a lot of character, I would normally vote for a PGer's acceptance on that alone.

But seriously you should join, I can tell you'd be a good debater, and it's a a bit dead at the moment so we could do with someone like you livening the place up.

 

[DTP]

haha maybe.
Debating is usually not my thing, unless I'm really bored, or if I strongly disagree with something to the point where I feel like I MUST counter their argument (Which is rare lol)

I'll think abut it though.
Thanks

 

[Dre89]

The DH is pretty much dead, so it's not as if you're required to commit yourself to posting everyday.

But yeah think about it, and then decide to join, like soon.

 

[Merkuri]

Yes, but rational as their reasons for their belief may be, it's still racism. You are sugarcoating your bigotry. Even if you have a subjectively really good reason for morally disagreeing with something people do not have power over, YOU ARE STILL A BIGOT.

I'm not calling everyone who thinks gay/bi people are lesser than straight people or that this non-mainstream behavior is "wrong" a bunch of redneck confederate flag wavers or something. I'm calling the pot black, because that's what it is.

I'm sure a people think LT has a legit point but he does not. Firstly he is entirely misguided as to the definition of bigot. Bigot: ''a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.'' (sourched from dictionary.com). Me disagreeing with homosexuality doesn't make me a bigot and Luigitoiel or anyone else who belives that it does is an idiot.

In fact Luigi Toilet and half of the gays on these boards who are utterly intolerant of anyone who disagrees with homosexuality(there are a surprisingly lot of them here) are closer to bigotry then those who argues against homosexuality. I've never seen anyone here say that homosexuals should be killed or that all homosexuals are bad, there are simply some elements of homosexuality they disagree and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. LT, Tigerwoods and bunch of other people who I cannot recall well to mind, need to quit being *******es and be more accepting of people who disagree with their lifestyle.

 

[Luigitoilet]

lol, I'm not gay.

but nice persecution complex you guys got going on anyways. I'll leave y'all alone to it.

 

[Merkuri]

lol, I'm not gay.

Sure

 

[Dre89]

LT stop implicating me in everything Merkuri says, we don't speak for each other.

 

[TigerWoods]

"Accepting those who disagree with their lifestyle."



Look. People who I consider valued friends of mine disagreed with my lifestyle until I enlightened them that "gay-***" people tend to not be so "gay-***" and are like sleepers hiding within their own society.

And I'm not saying I hate people like you; All I ever do is strike down incredibly faulty logic.

Also, the fact that you think LT is gay JUST because he is defending homosexuals is absolutely ridiculous lol. He does not even flicker on my gaydar. Trust me, you are wrong.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Sure

woooooowwww......I must say I have no response to this. but then again, it speaks for itself.

LT stop implicating me in everything Merkuri says, we don't speak for each other.

Sorry, you're right there. I guess it's because you guys seemed to be trying to make the same point. You are a little more reasonable than Merkuri.

 

[Merkuri]

Moving on

I'm a bit worried that my mom may not agree to cosign a student loan, that I will need to pay off this and next semester.