Something bothering you?

[Reizilla]

Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawl

That was too good.

 

[1048576]

The way I look at it, the anti-gay crowd really isn't equivalent to the pro-gay crowd. The anti-gay crowd wants the freedom to deny others freedom. It's overstepping boundaries. And yeah there's no rational basis for homosexual discrimination. The California state judge decided that, and I've personally argued my stance a hundred times so forgive me for writing you off instead of getting together the energy to argue it again.

If you're one of those religious nuts who still thinks gay couples and gay people should have the same rights as straight couples and straight people, (basically just that you wag your finger till it's sore) then w/e I don't got beef with you.

Edit: You called LT gay!? Wow dude, weren't you the one calling everyone else simple-minded? Oh well, just furthering my hypothesis that everyone's crazy but me

 

[Merkuri]

The way I look at it, the anti-gay crowd really isn't equivalent to the pro-gay crowd. The anti-gay crowd wants the freedom to deny others freedom. It's overstepping boundaries. And yeah there's no rational basis for homosexual discrimination. The California state judge decided that, and I've personally argued my stance a hundred times so forgive me for writing you off instead of getting together the energy to argue it again.

If you're one of those religious nuts who still thinks gay couples and gay people should have the same rights as straight couples and straight people, (basically just that you wag your finger till it's sore) then w/e I don't got beef with you.

Edit: You called LT gay!? Wow dude, weren't you the one calling everyone else simple-minded? Oh well, just furthering my hypothesis that everyone's crazy but me

It's the equivalent to the pro-gun control and anti-gun control community; some people believe it's better if some freedoms are not granted. The basis for my disagreement with so much of homosexuality has nothing to do with my faith.

I was semi-joking about Luigi Toilet, of course I can't be certain than he's gay but I'm not the least bit convinced that he's straight. In fact gay or not I would bet good money that he has had sexual fantasies about other men.

 

[1048576]

$10 you're struggling with your own bisexuality

Yeah, there's a conflict between the right to own a gun and the right to not get shot. There's a similar conflict between the right to marry someone of your own gender and ... ... ... you got anything?

 

[Merkuri]

$10 you're struggling with your own bisexuality

Yeah, there's a conflict between the right to own a gun and the right to not get shot. There's a similar conflict between the right to marry someone of your own gender and ... ... ... you got anything?

Ewww no, I simply don't understand what a guy could find attractive in another man. I don't see the appeal there.

And good point. Despite my defending of the anti-homosexual community you'd be surprised at how tolerant I am. I personally don't see the problem with allowing Gay men to marry each other. However some of the things the homosexual community argue for are disruptive to the wider community.

 

[1048576]

For example...?

I didn't actually think you were bisexual. I was making fun of how quick you jumped to a similar conclusion about LT.

Ask yourself: do you really understand the appeal of a woman to a man? Who knows why certain body types are attractive. It's not just that the parts don't fit together, because I doubt you'd want to do it with Buck Angel (you prolly want to avoid google images on that one)

 

[Luigitoilet]

Just to reiterate here. Merkuri thinks I'm gay because I take issue with him being a bigot homophobe and trying to make himself look like the victim for it.

As if only gay people could care about human equality and tolerance. Makes me sick to my stomach honestly.

 

[GoldShadow]

Just to reiterate here. Merkuri thinks I'm gay because I take issue with him being a bigot homophobe and trying to make himself look like the victim for it.

As if only gay people could care about human equality and tolerance. Makes me sick to my stomach honestly.

Cosigned.

Merkuri, I can't tell if you're joking or not, but I hope you are.

 

[Pikaville]

I can understand why people think being homosexual is wrong.

What I don't understand is why people don't just forget about it and let people get on with their lives in peace?

If you REALLY think about it, people being gay in your city, town etc has NO impact on your life.

Except for maybe gay pride marches, which I wouldn't be a fan of anyway xD

That's just my 2 cents.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Cosigned.

Merkuri, I can't tell if you're joking or not, but I hope you are.

I can understand why people think being homosexual is wrong.

What I don't understand is why people don't just forget about it and let people get on with their lives in peace?

If you REALLY think about it, people being gay in your city, town etc has NO impact on your life.

Except for maybe gay pride marches, which I wouldn't be a fan of anyway xD

That's just my 2 cents.

Pretty much these things right here.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Grandeza]

Just to reiterate here. Merkuri thinks I'm gay because I take issue with him being a bigot homophobe and trying to make himself look like the victim for it.

As if only gay people could care about human equality and tolerance. Makes me sick to my stomach honestly.

Somebody's defensive....

I kid, I kid.

Yeah of course I'm on the side that's not Merkuri. Do other men appeal to me at all? No. Does it affect me though? Of course not. You could argue that it is in public and people see it and all this other bull**** but it's just none of my business. When I see two guys kissing, i just keep walking and think how nice it is that we live in a forward thinking world where this is acceptable (sometimes).

 

[Merkuri]

I'm neither a bigot nor a homophobe. I actually do have some gay friends. LT I already demonstrated that you don't understand the meaning of the word bigot so don't call others bu that term. And what have I said is homophobic? People who disagree with homosexuality aren't implicitly homophobic, I don't believe I posted anything that indicates I'm afraid of homosexuals; w/e.

Edit: I'll post that in Don't ask don't tell thread.

 

[Grandeza]

I'm neither a bigot nor a homophobe. I actually do have some gay friends. LT I already demonstrated that you don't understand the meaning of the word bigot so don't call others bu that term. And what have I said is homophobic? People who disagree with homosexuality aren't implicitly homophobic, I don't believe I posted anything that indicates I'm afraid of homosexuals; w/e.

Edit: I'll post that in Don't ask don't tell thread.

Homophobia doesn't necessarily mean fear of gays.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobic

unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

 

[Reizilla]

Jeez, you're all a bunch of crying hippies. Marriage had always been union of man and woman, you can have your unions. I don't see why you so desperately want to file joint tax returns.

On a better note, I keep dreaming that every time I swallow, my teeth come loose, then fall out. It's getting kind of annoying :/

 

[Rychu]

Im bothered by the fact that I have to wait 6 more days until Christmas...

 

[1048576]

Jeez, you're all a bunch of crying hippies. Marriage had always been union of man and woman, you can have your unions. I don't see why you so desperately want to file joint tax returns.

On a better note, I keep dreaming that every time I swallow, my teeth come loose, then fall out. It's getting kind of annoying :/

On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:
joint parenting;
joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
and more....
Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. And, of course, when people cannot marry, they are denied all the emotional and social benefits and responsibilities of marriage as well.

Source: http://www.gao.gov/ or http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov

 

[Luigitoilet]

And yeah, in the DADT thread Merkuri is ranting on and on about how he's so scared for the straight troops being molested and ***** by gays.

not homophobic, right.

also, a huge LOL at "I have some gay friends".

that is the new "hey I'm not racist one of my friends is black!!"

 

[Chill]

LT, I seriously came here just to say that. Isn't it convenient how every person who makes a racist remark has a black best friend? Tell your gay "friends" how you don't think they should have the ability to marry or that you think they only want to **** and molest straight people. See how many gay friends you have after at.

 

[Reizilla]

I make racist remarks to my black best friend all the time. He admits that they're stereotypically true.

 

[DoH]

Jeez, you're all a bunch of crying hippies. Marriage had always been union of man and woman, you can have your unions. I don't see why you so desperately want to file joint tax returns.

No.

Traditional marriage is a property exchange; one man exchanges the property called daughter to another man, and said property becomes a property called wife.

Then, with the development of a free market and capitalism, straight people fundamentally changed the definition of marriage, incorporating more and more freedoms and changes to its definition to the point where there is no logical reason to exclude gay people under the current definition.

To insinuate that gay people are not equal enough to enter into marriages is heterosexist. To assert that civil unions are a viable option is perpetuating the inherent inequality of "separate but equal." Can you imagine having to ask your partner to 'civil union' you? No.

Marriage is incredibly different than just being in a relationship. It's much more than sharing ones stuff. While I do firmly believe that each couple should be able to define what their marriage consists of - monogamous, open, Clinton-esque, etc - marriage ups the stakes in terms of commitment. There's a huge difference between a breakup and a divorce. Marriage is the joining of families, a pact between two people. This pact requires legal recognition to make it viable; without that recognition there's nothing at stake. There's tons of research about the benefits of marriage to society; Time just ran a special cover story about it. I think I've cited some of it in the polygamy debate in the DH. Additionally, by the government only recognizing heterosexual marriages, it is saying that our relationships are inherently inferior. The government is saying that we are not equally deserving of the same rights and responsibilities as breeders. It's discrimination.

I think Dan Savage really nails this point in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAfnsSOMV8

To all those who think there is a good reason for discrimination against gay people, what is it? Arbitrary morality is not a good reason to deny personhood to citizens.

It bugs me that it's almost 2011 and I still have to convince people that I'm worthy of equality.

 

[Reizilla]

You are equal. You have every right I do. I can get married, you can get married, to a girl. It's not the same as being black. A black person can't be white. A gay person can still get married if they want to.

 

[Luigitoilet]

You are equal. You have every right I do. I can get married, you can get married, to a girl. It's not the same as being black. A black person can't be white. A gay person can still get married if they want to.

A gay person can't not be gay.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

You are equal. You have every right I do. I can get married, you can get married, to a girl. It's not the same as being black. A black person can't be white. A gay person can still get married if they want to.

...but why should they have to marry a woman if they don't want to? Why can't a gay couple get the same benefits entitled to heterosexual couples?

I think that's the point they're trying to drive home here, Shun. As D'oh pointed out, that's the whole "separate but equal" thing, and that's simply not acceptable.

Smooth Criminal

 

[1048576]

You are equal. You have every right I do. I can get married, you can get married, to a girl. It's not the same as being black. A black person can't be white. A gay person can still get married if they want to.

So much for the sanctity of marriage, lol. I'll just marry a **** and have an affair with her ****** neighbor.

Failing that, why are we gender restricting it again?

 

[mzink*]

LOL @ people worried about being ***** my gays in the military. Know how many women are ***** by strait men in the military?

 

[TigerWoods]

People can marry white people, not blacks.

It's not racist. I didn't say blacks couldn't marry. I just said you must marry white people.

 

[Merkuri]

A gay person can't not be gay.

WTF? Yeah they can. Start dating women. Duh.

There is and never have been any scientific evidence for this ''gay gene'' homosexuals keep proclaiming exist.

LOL @ people worried about being ***** my gays in the military. Know how many women are ***** by strait men in the military?

And your argument is? Surely you're not saying that because Straight men **** women then it's ok for gay men to **** straight men? I hope you're no that dumb. Also as bad as the problem already is the men and women don't have to readily sleep in the same room with each other, share showers, etc.

 

[DTP]

omg I didn't know that!! ^^^

I didn't realize I could suddenly revert to being straight again thank you!


EDIT: Also, Merkuri is right yet again. I **** straight men on a weekly basis. I just can't help myself!

 

[Smooth Criminal]

omg I didn't know that!! ^^^

I didn't realize I could suddenly revert to being straight again thank you!


EDIT: Also, Merkuri is right yet again. I **** straight men on a weekly basis. I just can't help myself!

O_O

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Smooth Criminal

 

[Luigitoilet]

Okay. This topic has run its course about a thousand times over. So let's stop it everybody.

 

[Merkuri]

omg I didn't know that!! ^^^

I didn't realize I could suddenly revert to being straight again thank you!


EDIT: Also, Merkuri is right yet again. I **** straight men on a weekly basis. I just can't help myself!

You probably won't be able to do it with that kind of attitude. If you've already resigned yourself to homosexuality then you won't be able to get out of it. If you want to change then tell yourself that you want to be straight again and put in the work to make it happen. It's doable.

 

[mzink*]

My argument was that the fact that they are gay doesn't mean that they are more likely to **** than someone that is strait.

 

[DTP]

lol

I won't go into detail about it. (Unless you want me to PM you!)
But I kinda wish that were true, Merkuri.

 

[Chill]

You probably won't be able to do it with that kind of attitude. If you've already resigned yourself to homosexuality then you won't be able to get out of it. If you want to change then tell yourself that you want to be straight again and put in the work to make it happen. It's doable.

You know this from experience?

 

[Merkuri]

lol

I won't go into detail about it. (Unless you want me to PM you!)
But I kinda wish that were true, Merkuri.

And there in lies the problem. You are just wishing it were true instead of actually doing something about it. Who cares if you tried and failed before, try and again bro. Try smarter this time. You've given up on being straight and you need to recognize that. You are the one choosing to reaming gay.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Knock it off. Next person to go on with this topic is getting infracted. The next person after that is getting this thread closed.

 

[DoH]

You are the one choosing to reaming gay.

But only if it's consensual

 

[mzink*]

Sorry LT, I didn't see your warning, wasn't paying enough attention.

 

[Crimson King]

I'm sure the BRoom is tired of it, but my constant ailments really bother me. While I've always had stomach pain, this is the first time in my life that so much has gone wrong and that I've needed surgery.

In July, I had my first every surgery with removing my gallbladder, which solved a ton. From that, I developed bile reflux which required an endoscopy to determine, which was "surgical procedure #2". After that, I had bad back issues from a herniated disc and required 3 epidurals, which I'd consider surgical procedures since I was unconscious. After a massive ulcer attack on Thanksgiving, I was doing great until I went to NYC two weeks ago, got off the plane, and felt shooting pain up my right leg. Internet calls is sciatica, which falls into line with my back/herniated disc issues. I've woken up during these pass two weeks, sitting up with tears on my eyes, despite falling asleep on my back. The pain is incredible.

After getting home from New York (last monday), I noticed my peripheral vision was gone in my right eye, and it turned out I needed emergency surgery for a detached retina. The only thing that saved my vision was going in when I did. The injury was old, but it was salvageable.

I feel like I complain a lot, and I probably do, but I'd love to experience a single day without some type of pain. That'd be awesome.

 

[mzink*]

Sorry you are going through such a rough time CK. I know how it is with the disc issues. I go to physical therapy 3 times a week for my sciatica and have had spinal surgery already which did help a bit. Those epidurals also helped for a short time but they aren't really meant to fix anything.

Maybe you need surgery, sometimes its the only thing that can relieve the pain, especially if it is impeding on your ability to do every day things like work and drive. Also maybe physical therapy will help, for me it strengthened the muscles around my spine to keep it from becoming injured so easily. My discs still go out of place but it doesn't cripple me anymore. Anyway, I hope you have a good doctor looking after your back, constant sciatica can permanently damage the nerves that control those leg muscles. Have somebody teach you how to take care of it to avoid it worsening. Sorry if I am rambling but it just worries me when I see what I have in others because I'm 24 and my spine is already shot to hell because the problems were not taken care of when I was young. And I know how much years of pain can change a person.

I'm glad to hear your vision was able to be saved.
I hope you have people able to be there for you when you need it. Repeated physical problems are rough mentally too. I hope your doc can get everything sorted out for you so you won't be in pain anymore. You'll be all the more appreciative of it and you'll feel awesome. My spine used to make it very difficult and painful to breathe, but when I finally had that day of no painful struggle for air, every breath felt like a ****ing orgasm, it felt so good to be free.

And don't worry about complaining, its good to vent sometimes, clears some of the mental stress. I used to worry I complained too much about my pain, but my best friend told me to just vent when I need to, and keep dealing.

Hope you have a good christmas with as little pain as your body will allow.