Sonic

[Drclaw411]

This Sonic main is really hoping the blue blur returns.

 

[Groose]

Sonic is just one of those characters that goes so well with Nintendo. He really adds to the appeal in a way that Nintendon't. Really, with Nintendo's partnership with SEGA and the sheer popularity of Sonic, he's almost a lock.

As much as I want Sonic, I DO NOT want his friends. I really like them. I grew up watching the cartoons and stuff. I love Knuckles, Tails, Shadow, Amy, and even Big the Cat. Eggman is among my favorite villains. But... this is not their game. Assist trophies/ stage hazards? Sure. Playable characters? There are Nintendo characters who deserve the spots more.

But if one manages to slip in... Knuckles. Not Tails. Knuckles.

 

[Espy Rose]

People sleeping on Blaze the Cat in here.
For shame.

 

[smashbro29]

Refer to Ganondorf's Wizard's Foot in Melee and Brawl. Of course, this is not the thread to be talking about him.

You really should elaborate more. I have no idea what you're going on about.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

You really should elaborate more. I have no idea what you're going on about.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/; go to that very website for all the information that you need.

 

[smashbro29]

http://www.ssbwiki.com/; go to that very website for all the information that you need.

Please explain to me what it is you're trying to convey in response to me being in favor of Sonic's P:M moveset. You're being astoundingly cryptic.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I don't want to talk about it any further than that.

 

[smashbro29]

I don't want to talk about it any further than that.

It just doesn't make any sense. I'm more than happy to acknowledge other opinions but I don't even understand what point you were trying to make.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Of course Sonic is coming back, with the whole deal going on with SEGA and Nintendo regarding Sonic games on Nintendo consoles, they'd be crazy to not bring him back. However, they should seriously redesign his moveset. Speaking of which...

That's what I just finished doing. I tried to design Sonic to have more abilities pertaining to his series, rather than a bunch of spin attacks. There was almost no connection to most of the games in the franchise in Sonic's old moveset, but now, I think I've improved it. What do you think?

 

[Espy Rose]

Asking people to educate themselves at the SmashWiki is probably not the best idea. That place is archaic and misinformed.

 

[_R@bid_]

@hotfeet
You need the Sonic Eagle for Fair, but other than that, pretty good. I would prefer more moves from Sonic Battle though.

 

[AIM0001]

I want Eggman from Sonic Adventure 2! Imagine him in that blue mech. There are so many moveset possibilities and I picture him as a Bowser like heavyweight character since he's in the mech....

 

[Darth Shard]

Ignoring all of the reasons we won't get a second Sonic character, I think there are three considerations to look at with regards to selection.

1. Uniqueness (this hurts the chances of Shadow, Metal Sonic, etc...)

2. Relevancy (since the recent Sonic games have focused only on the blue blur as playable, that really lends itself towards inclusion of Tails, Knuckles, or Dr. Eggman)

3. Popularity (a somewhat meaningless category with regards to Sonic's friends and foes)

 

[volbound1700]

I am a little worried about Sonic at the moment. At least until he is confirmed. I say we make this the official Sonic support thread!

 

[greenluigiman2]

http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=206106&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

NWR: One more question here. Sonic was very popular in Smash Bros. for Wii. Is there any possibility of him making a return appearance in the next Smash Bros.?

TI: All we can say is that we also think it would be awesome if he was in the next Smash Bros. So yea, but that's more of a question for Nintendo than us.

 

[Ice Sage]

I would like to see sonic back.
he was really fun to use in brawl xD
hope he makes it

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

I infer Sega's keeping mum on Sonic's reappearance to SSB4, so the only thing you should really infer from that is that Sonic might not get any announcement until the game comes out.

 

[HarryTheChin]

90% chance of Sonic making a return.

3% chance of another Sonic character becoming a newcomer. But Sonic has to make the cut first, though

Even if he DOES make the cut, I'd like to see a little revamp of his moves. Not too many changes, just some.

That's what I think.

 

[SonicMario]

I think Sonic's staying for sure. Because of these reasons:

• Sonic was by far the most requested 3rd Party, and probably one of the most requested overall for Brawl. To the point they delayed the game a little just to put him in. No sense in going through that last minute inclusion without it being more planned throughout for the next game
• I don't see Nintendo or Sega missing out on another chance to milk more money out of the Mario Vs. Sonic novelty. Given on how Sega is still making Olympic Games. Not to mention they have Megaman here too. Sonic Vs. Mario Vs. Megaman? Those who were hardcore gamers in the 90s will be jumping all over this game.
• The recent Nintendo Exclusive Sonic game partnership between Nintendo and Sega probably had his inclusion in SSB4 as a hidden clause to it (Some even speculate that the mystery 3rd game of this deal IS SSB4). I think it's well likely Nintendo went to Sega early to re-establish Sonic's inclusion. I think part of the reason the first M&S Olympic Games was made was because of Sonic's inclusion in Brawl. If a Sonic Lost World stage appears in the game, I think that would confirm this.
• Also there's been absolutely no known cuts of characters with their own original moveset yet without them being replaced by a character with a similar moveset. (Ex: What happened with Lucario and Mewtwo). Even if this is the first game that will cut a character with a completely original moveset. I don't think Sonic's going to be one of them, simply because he's one of the most popular additions to a roster in franchise history.

The only reason I can think of that they'd explain why Sonic is cut if he is cut is that he (and I assume Snake would be cut with him) were meant as Brawl's 3rd Party guests exclusive to the game. And Mega Man, and I'm assuming Pac-Man is SSB4's. But I don't want Nintendo to basically say to me "You want to play as Sonic in Super Smash Bros.? Just play Brawl again!".

It just makes more sense both to appeal to fan popularity and monetary reasons to have Sonic return then it does to not.

 

[HarryTheChin]

I think Sonic's staying for sure. Because of these reasons:

• Sonic was by far the most requested 3rd Party, and probably one of the most requested overall for Brawl. To the point they delayed the game a little just to put him in. No sense in going through that last minute inclusion without it being more planned throughout for the next game
• I don't see Nintendo or Sega missing out on another chance to milk more money out of the Mario Vs. Sonic novelty. Given on how Sega is still making Olympic Games. Not to mention they have Megaman here too. Sonic Vs. Mario Vs. Megaman? Those who were hardcore gamers in the 90s will be jumping all over this game.
• The recent Nintendo Exclusive Sonic game partnership between Nintendo and Sega probably had his inclusion in SSB4 as a hidden clause to it (Some even speculate that the mystery 3rd game of this deal IS SSB4). I think it's well likely Nintendo went to Sega early to re-establish Sonic's inclusion. I think part of the reason the first M&S Olympic Games was made was because of Sonic's inclusion in Brawl. If a Sonic Lost World stage appears in the game, I think that would confirm this.
• Also there's been absolutely no known cuts of characters with their own original moveset yet without them being replaced by a character with a similar moveset. (Ex: What happened with Lucario and Mewtwo). Even if this is the first game that will cut a character with a completely original moveset. I don't think Sonic's going to be one of them, simply because he's one of the most popular additions to a roster in franchise history.

The only reason I can think of that they'd explain why Sonic is cut if he is cut is that he (and I assume Snake would be cut with him) were meant as Brawl's 3rd Party guests exclusive to the game. And Mega Man, and I'm assuming Pac-Man is SSB4's. But I don't want Nintendo to basically say to me "You want to play as Sonic in Super Smash Bros.? Just play Brawl again!".

It just makes more sense both to appeal to fan popularity and monetary reasons to have Sonic return then it does to not.

This. THIS. THIS!!! <3

I'm now sold that Sonic has a 90% chance of returning.

 

[SonicMario]

Anyway, with Sonic likely in the game. I'm very curious on what kind of Sonic related content we'll get in the game.

I'm thinking there will probably be a Sonic Lost World stage of some kind. Although I would love to have a stage from the Adventure games instead. I wouldn't mind the Egg Carrier from Sonic Adventure 1, though I think something from SA2 would be more iconic since that was the first Sonic game on a Nintendo system. A City Escape stage would be sweet, or if they wanted to be a little more gimmicky: Crazy Gadget.

And of course more Sonic music would be appreciated. I kinda wished they had more from Secret Rings in Brawl, Seven Rings in Hand isn't that bad. But I vastly prefer Unawakening Float and It's Come to This.

Oh and if the Yellow Devil that showed up in Megaman's reveal trailer is a boss. I hope we get a Dr. Eggman boss battle of some kind.

And on assist trophies, I'd really like Tails to show up as one. (In my dream roster, Tails is the 2nd Sonic rep but realistically Sonic isn't going to get more then just Sonic in the roster)

 

[Zaffy]

Just a note, despite Sega being in on Project X zone, Sonic doesn't appear there.

Obviously since Megaman is in it, we can't take anything for certain, but just a note

 

[BlitznBurst]

I'm hoping for some new moves from Lost World. Parkour mechanics would be pretty interesting, but I'm not entirely sure how they'd actually implement that. Would it happen automatically when he runs, like in Lost World, or would it be a carryover of his side-B, whatever that would actually be (Assuming we get a new move instead of the secoond spindash again)? I would imagine it being a move by itself wouldn't be particularly useful in battle. Admittedly I had been hoping for a Generations-themed Sonic incarnation, but the game will be almost three years old by the time the game is released, with two games in between it, if the unannounced third game is an actual main title and not a spin-off/filler game. Of course, we could get an unannounced third title-themed Sonic instead of Lost World, although I'm assuming not considering we don't even know anything about it. But Sakurai might.

 

[SonicMario]

Just a note, despite Sega being in on Project X zone, Sonic doesn't appear there.

Obviously since Megaman is in it, we can't take anything for certain, but just a note

I don't think Project X Zone is a cause of concern that Sonic wouldn't be in the next Smash. As I don't think the game is heavy on having the mascots of Sega, Namco, and Capcom together. Even in the case of Capcom it's X and not the Classic Megaman that will be in SSB4. And I don't think Pac-Man is in either on Namco's side. It seems to have more humanoid characters and/or series that are more for fighting or the companies' RPGs they've made in the past. None of the more lighthearted series are represented except for Space Channel 5. I think Sonic would seem out of place given the majority of the characters in that game.

 

[Crocovile]

I hope Sonic returns, and if he does he should get a new moveset, because his Brawl one was really bland.
Two spindashes was kinda stupid, I get that they can be used for some mindtricks, but they're similar enough that one spindash is enough.
I'd also like to see Sonic having some more style to his moves, like some breakdancing kicks or the mid-air posing after a homing-attack like in Project M. Also, considering his running speed, why isn't his simple-A attack lightning fast kicks like Fox's?
Oh, and his down-air should be changed to his stomp from the newer games.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Oh, and his down-air should be changed to his stomp from the newer games.

I'd rather have the Sonic Eagle from Battle be his Down-Air. The Stomp from Unleashed/Colors/Generations or Bounce Attack from SA2 could be his down B. Spindash staying Side-B

 

[Crocovile]

Mmh, yeah I see your point, haven't played Sonic Battle so I don't really know any moves from that game.
I just hope they do something more than simply copy-pasting from Sonic the Fighters.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Mmh, yeah I see your point, haven't played Sonic Battle so I don't really know any moves from that game.
I just hope they do something more than simply copy-pasting from Sonic the Fighters.

I was surprised when I saw just how many of his moves were from The Fighters. It was charming but I felt too many were taken.

 

[Crocovile]

I blame time restraints due to last-minute inclusion for all the copy-pasting.
Sonic the Fighters is an alright fighting game, but Smash is Smash and one kinda expects something a little more unique from Smash.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I blame time restraints due to last-minute inclusion for all the copy-pasting.
Sonic the Fighters is an alright fighting game, but Smash is Smash and one kinda expects something a little more unique from Smash.

I agree fully here. I'd have liked a bit more variety from all his games ^^. I was hoping for maybe even one of the shield abilities from 3&K. But nooope

 

[volbound1700]

I infer Sega's keeping mum on Sonic's reappearance to SSB4, so the only thing you should really infer from that is that Sonic might not get any announcement until the game comes out.

Actually there is a closed thread a few pages back with a link to an interview from a Sonic creator discussing the Lost World and his comment to a question about Smash at the end was

"It would be awesome if Sonic could return to the new Smash but that is something you will need to bring up with Nintendo."

Or something to that effect. Don't take that as the official quote. So obviously Sega staff is still onboard.

 

[Frostwraith]

Sonic, alongside Snake, has a higher chance of being cut than any other of the Brawl characters for the simple fact that he's third party.

Sakurai seems to want all characters to come back, but if for some reason, Sonic is cut, I just hope people accept it instead of raging and making promises to boycott the game, because that's utterly childish behavior. Knowing the Sonic fanbase, however... I doubt things will be "peaceful" if he doesn't return, considering what happened with Project X Zone already...

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Sonic, alongside Snake, has a higher chance of being cut than any other of the Brawl characters for the simple fact that he's third party.

Sakurai seems to want all characters to come back, but if for some reason, Sonic is cut, I just hope people accept it instead of raging and making promises to boycott the game, because that's utterly childish behavior. Knowing the Sonic fanbase, however... I doubt things will be "peaceful" if he doesn't return, considering what happened with Project X Zone already...

The Sonic fan in me cries at the fanbase I'm apart of.. I know its not much but if he doesn't return THIS sonic fan will not give you all any trouble

 

[BlitznBurst]

I'd rather have the Sonic Eagle from Battle be his Down-Air. The Stomp from Unleashed/Colors/Generations or Bounce Attack from SA2 could be his down B. Spindash staying Side-B

Um, no thanks. The spindash should stay as his down B. I could care less what they do with the other specials, but the spindash is his Down B. No exceptions. The stomp is way too generic for an actual special attack. He can use the bounce attack in the air instead of a spindash, since that way we get two special attacks in one.

And holy ****, he had better be a lot faster. Not his running speed - his running speed is just fine, but his attacks don't match that speed at all. His attacks are too weak to do a significant amount of damage, which would be okay if his moves were a lot faster, but they're no faster than anybody else's. Sonic should be a character who doesn't have a lot of KO power, but deals damage quickly with lightning-fast attacks, which just isn't there at all. Replace his dash attack with the Sonic Windmill from Battle. Let him keep is momentum when it ends instead of coming to a halt. Make the homing attack charge a lot quicker and give that extra time to the end animation like in Project M. Make his dair the stomp, a move that doesn't do a lot of damage but is great for attacking from above and knocks all enemies out of his path. Include a load of Sonic Battle moves as well - his moveset from battle just feels a lot QUICKER. The Sonic updraft, the breakdancing thing, the eagle, all of those fit Sonic a lot better than what Brawl gave him. Sonic should be a fragile speedster - while they got the fragile part down, but the speedster part is only really apparent in his run speed.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I actually like his dash attack. It's for the most part true to his games, thus I know exactly how to use it.
Not to mention it's a good juggle "combo" for the start of the match against some characters at least.

Wouldn't mind seeing Tilt+B replaced. My ideal special moveset would be:

B: Project M Homing Attack
B-Tilt: Fire Shield Dash (Sonic 3)
B-UP: Lightning Shield Jump (Sonic 3)
B-Down (Air): Bubble Shield Bounce (Sonic 3)
B-Down (Ground): Spindash

(Playing around with different shields would be pretty unique, even if they only appear while the air-special lasts. The Up+B could be a reflect-type reccovery. The Flame Shield could bounce off fire based attacks. Bubble Bounce could be immune to Squirtle's Water gun or Mario's Fludd push. And also to Wind moves such as Game & Watch's Uair).

Basically he'd have a much lower vertical recovery this time, but would gain a much longer horizontal recovery, if we consider that Fire Shield Dash won't put him in helpless stage. He could go Tilt+B, Double Jump, Tilt+B, Up+B, and perhaps one more Tilt+B. (Kind of inspired on how Mighty works in Sonic Megamix. :3 )

If he doesn't come back, I'll be sad, but I wouldn't riot. I would question this "partnership" though... Especially since Iizuka seems excited about the idea of Sonic re-appearing in SSB (for all we know.. part of the deal behind the scenes could've been that Sonic MUST be guaranteed to return in SSB).

 

[Jedisupersonic]

While I like all the shield possibilities I still see the Light Speed Dash or Chaos Control being more fun recoveries ^^; Or Tails. Or you could use one of his various Tornado based moves [see Sonic Heroes or Sonic Rush]

 

[BlitznBurst]

My ideal Sonic moveset (No tilts):

FSmash: Brawl's was fine to me, so that.
USmash: Either Brawl's USmash or the Sonic Updraft from Battle.
DSmash: Some sort of smooth, quick breakdancing move. Not Battle's one, since that was fairly slow, but something more along the lines of the Sonic Advance... what was that actually, victory pose? Chaos emerald get? I never played the Advance games all that much.

Nair: Insta-shield. Spins the enemy around Sonic before being thrown in whatever direction they're already moving in.
Fair: Sonic Eagle from Battle.
Dair: Stomp from Unleashed/Generations.
Uair: Brawl's was fine with me.
Bair: Again, Brawl's was fine.

Neutral special: Homing attack. Starts instantaneously and heads straight for the opponent, but you can't move for a good few seconds. If on the ground, Sonic does a quick hop before homing in.
Down-B: The spindash, obviously. When you go down hills it picks up speed - which wouldn't be horribly useful in combat, but it's worth putting in just as a nod to the classics. Uses the bounce attack in midair, which acts as a slower, less powerful stomp that bounces you back up when you hit the ground.
Up-B: Sonic curls into a ball and shoots up. The direction is controllable, like Fox's Up-B. If on the ground, he does that little curlign up/bouncing/squash and stretch animation from the Advance games whihc i have no idea where they came form. Yeah, I know this isn't all that great, but it's better than the spring :<
Side-B: Not entirely sure on this one. I was thinking a super peelout, which is faster than his dash speed, so you can choose between running kind-of fast and really fast, allowing for a bit more control over Sonic. Will also let Sonic run up walls, allowing for more mobility. Yes, I just ripped this straight from Lost World. Sue me.

Grab attack: Kick/Knee to the balls/ whatever Brawl's was.
Fthrow: Sonic curls into a ball, spinning the opponent around him until he lets go, throwing them forward.
UThrow: Sonic does a quick backflip, kicking his opponent up into the air.
Dthrow: Brawl's one but faster would be fine by me.
Bthrow: Sonic spins around and throws the oppent backward. You can tell I'm really running out of inspiration by now, can't you?

As a side note, one thing I like about this new art style is that the current Sonic design won't clash so much. I like Sonic's current design better than Brawl's, but it would have looked a bit out of place with the realistic art style of the game. This one is nice and cartoony, so they can just use SEGA's Sonic model.

I'm not sure why this matters to me :<

 

[shinhed-echi]

What I like about your UP+B move is that, probably unaware, you just gave him a Sonic Rush move.

When you fight him as Blaze, he does exactly that move. One could argue it's a variant of the Homing Attack, but it doesn't home in on you, it just homes in on your direction (you can still walk out of the way).

I also like the new design a lot more, and I'm glad both SSB4 and Sonic are both going into a more cartoony direction.

Also approve all of your smash attacks and aerials. Dair for stomp would be awesome.

I can provide a short Tilt moveset:

Ftilt: Brawl's was fine, and quite useful.
Utilt: The 3rd "jab" attack from Sonic Battle where he does this sort of crane kick attack.
Dtilt: The roll-combo move from Sonic Advance 1 would be awesome, but if not, Brawl's was alright too.


He needs better recolors this time around.
Blue (himself)
Red (Knuckles' color scheme)
Green (Jet's color scheme)
Black (Dark Sonic / Shadow's color scheme)
White (Silver's color scheme, or better yet, Silver-Sonic's color scheme (Sonic 2)
Yellow (Pseudo-Super Sonic-ish color) or have an orange Sonic instead to represent Tails' color.

 

[SonicMario]

Sonic, alongside Snake, has a higher chance of being cut than any other of the Brawl characters for the simple fact that he's third party.

Sakurai seems to want all characters to come back, but if for some reason, Sonic is cut, I just hope people accept it instead of raging and making promises to boycott the game, because that's utterly childish behavior. Knowing the Sonic fanbase, however... I doubt things will be "peaceful" if he doesn't return, considering what happened with Project X Zone already...

I disagree with the notion that just because Sonic (Snake too) is 3rd Party that he has less of a chance to return then any other character. I think Sakurai really respects the 3rd parties he places in the game just as much as he does any other character. Plus, the reasons I gave earlier on why I think he's staying I think gives him some kind of edge over characters like Lucario (Who could be replaced by something of the most recent generation like he did with Mewtwo originally, possibly Mewtwo returning to get the spot again only with the ability to turn into the Alternate form from Pokemon X&Y) and Toon Link who have more possibility of being cut.

While I know not everyone from Brawl's going to return, I find it hard to believe that Sonic is among the most likely to be cut.

If he is cut somehow, I won't deny I will be terribly upset. I will still get SSB4 with or without Sonic, but it'd be a while before I'd get over it. I just think it'd be a huge missed oppurtunity. Sure they have been milking the Sonic and Mario rivalry ever since both Brawl and the first Olympic Games. But heck, that's still making money.

And now you have Megaman in this game. This is a once in a lifetime chance to have not one, not two, but three legendary Video Game icons from 3 different companies in the same game. The only time Megaman's and Sonic's meant is in a recent comic. And finally SSB4 comes around with a chance to have them both in an actual video game together.

 

[EddyBearr]

You know.. I hate sonic. I really hate him. I hated that he was in Brawl.

But I know that Sonic fans are true fans, they really like him. I know that Sonic is amazingly popular, with extremely loyal and serious fans.

I know that Sonic being cut would be devastating.

Even as one of Sonic's hardcore haters, I must say: Sonic must come back.

I wish you all the best of luck. And, thankfully, I don't think you'll need it. But another rep is out of the question...Don't even think about it.