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The BlazBlue Thread: all the imports!

LivewiresXe

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But Bloom Trigger only wallbounces in the corner, and Assault Through does that too.

Well yeah...I just moreso meant having it wall-stick doesn't seem like it'll feel the same. And I kinda forgot if Assault Through was going to keep the property or not for a minute there.
 

Jdietz43

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If he has a community already built in place for anime games, getting CS is fine for practice I guess. Otherwise, you might as well just practice other games to get used to fighters in general. From the FG thread, it sounded as if he's coming fresh into the genre with some exp in TvC.

Either get P4A (if europe ever gets it), or play other fighters. There's no point in playing an obsolete game if there's no community. All he'd be practicing at entry level are combos and if none of them work in the next iteration, it'd just be a pain in the *** to relearn the entire game.
I disagree: most of the characters in BB are so different that it takes time to properly align yourself to play one. The specifics change, but the play-style cores rarely do. He'll have to learn the CP combos no matter what: but if he starts learning the characters and basic system mechanics now he'll be in better shape when CP hits. (minus of course guard primers which are going away)

That's my POV coming from someone who started with BB as his first serious fighter.

tl;dr

What I'm saying is: he can't come in, learn Ragna for a week, and then say "Well now that I know everything about the BB system in general I'm free to migrate to whichever character I actually want now... let's try Arakune", like some other games (think DoA, where the core system dictates nearly all). The extra time to scope out a character choice and become comfortable with their spacing and overall goals could be easily well worth the time. He's certainly going to have to do it anyways if he comes into CP raw, but if he's interested now I see no reason other than the purchase price (I'd imagine it's lower these days, esp. if you buy used) not to start that progression with CSEX immediately.
 

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It's hard to become fluent with a character in a short amount of time without human interaction. What you end up focusing on most of the time would be CPUs or just combo training. It takes far more time to become used to the "style" of play. At entry level, the little specialties a character offers are hard to integrate into actual play. You won't learn fundamentals and you won't understand how the attacks interact with each other as well as how to utilize the system mechanics. Especially if you don't know who you want to play and split up your time.

Again, if you have access to people (or if you have money to spare / insanely cheap), by all means buying CSX is fine. It'll bolster your learning speed a substantial amount. However, if you're playing alone, that curve is far steeper versus playing another game with people where you can focus on the raw fundamentals of the genre. Look at how far that puts Minato with raw fundamentals when P4A first came out.
 

Jdietz43

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All the more reason to start the curve now IMO. Those factors won't change when CP hits, only the amount of time he waited before starting. He'll hardly be getting onto the level of specificity that CP will change by the time it comes around: better to learn the things that won't will while he has more time.

EDIT: Though that said, if he is indeed playing other games like P4A then it's not as important. If he hasn't been, then I think it would be time well spent and well enjoyed. I see it as easier to be brought up to a competitive level when you only have to learn "X no longer wallbounces" rather than "All the BB: right here and now, GO!" regardless.
 

Crusayer

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Tl;dr: Play the games other people are playing to gain better fundamentals since that's way more important as a starting player. Don't waste time learning the raw technicals on a game that will be obsolete.

@Above: Combo training is something you can do on your own time. You don't learn fundamentals by yourself. You learn MUCH faster when you have the transferable skills. Again, look at Minato or Sion (or Aisight but I haven't played him in BB so I dunno) in their rapid speed to be above the pack because they have those raw fundamentals.

The fact that there's already a new version out that revamps the game on a huge scale automatically kills how much people play this game. There is no doubt P4A would definitely garner more attention from the dedicated people than BB. FACT: A majority of us are playing P4A instead of CSX in anticipation for CP.
 

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It's awesome how much you are discussing about whether or not I should get CS :awesome:

Just so you know, I have already decided that I'd main Arakune. That thing is what got me into the game and I don't care how hard he is to master, I'll still do it. I consider myself pretty good at training alone when it comes to thinking about stuff. I can practice more than just simple combos alone and at least doesn't it still have online? Oh and just how much are arcade sticks usually? I heard they are pretty expensive.
 

Lythium

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Crappy ones are about $40 to 50, good ones will run you anywhere from $100 and up. Something around $150 is usually what you're going to pay though.

Also, don't get a cheap one just to "try it out," it's generally not worth it.
 

Lythium

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I recommend keeping an eye on some of these websites:

http://www.madcatz.com/
http://eightarc.com/

They often have sales as well, so you can usually end up getting something a bit cheaper. Don't know what the shipping will cost to Europe though.

Alternatively, if there's a FG group near you, ask people where they got their sticks. You might be able to find a better deal that way, or maybe someone will sell you one of their old ones or something. Or you could borrow one to try.
 

LivewiresXe

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Aye, I remember mine being around $40 too. And for sticks, if you have people around you that have one, it's typically worth it to try them out a couple of times first. Typically they'll probably cost $120, but you can find other ones that, depending on if you're interested in what they do, cost about $140. I was lucky enough to get mine for $90 from someone who'd ha a secondary one for a month and figured there wasn't a point to having 2 if he was going to be the only one using them, so hey, you might find similar luck if you look around.
 

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I'm going to a FG event in March so I'll look around from there and ask around a bit. I should also have an opportunity to try on out.
 

LivewiresXe

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Random Twitter video bot, wha? That's weird. Though man, considering how bad I was back then, if that thing started auto-posting my matches from 2011 or when I played Brawl on my Twitter....yikes, lol.
 

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I could have sworn there were some random netplay matches of me on Youtube back from BBCT, I'm glad I can't seem to find them.

Though it kind of makes me want to go check out some old replays from BBCT to see just how bad I was.

...

Oh god, yeah, those replays can not be allowed to be seen by anyone.

Not gonna delete them though, because it was hilarious.
 

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I'd rather not see my old videos of BlazBlue. One month I'll be great while the next month I'll be terrible.
Unfortunately, I've been in the latter phase for a long while now for not playing much.

Hopefully I'll stay consistently good in CP, haha. I want that good netcode like P4U.
 

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I don't know, it's actually kind of uplifting to see that I have made it beyond godawful. I could be so much worse right now.

Wow, CT feels weird.
But I do miss Tao's full screen drive.
 

LivewiresXe

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I agree that it's good to look at how far you've come sometimes. Like, I was going through some old stuff I had and came across this bit from like...early fall 2011 before I used the green Noel colour and like 2 days before I got my stick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8PyyjgjhzQ


Oh, and something even further back than that against Crusayer that was far enough back to when I hadn't figured out how to fix the resolution on my TV and still had the screen cutting off at the edges. Good times, good times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbGYse86_RM
 

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I always save my old replays and watch them when I've forgotten what they were of just for such occasions. It makes me feel sooooo good inside to see my old old footage and go "wut a scrub I wuz".
 

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I guess I'm one of the few who actually regresses in skill. At least, this seems to go for 3rd Strike and BB on my matches. :(
 

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I think we all do to a certain degree. For me, I get stuck up into getting into habits of other fighters, forget BnB's, and how to treat it's specific neutral game.

At least that's how it is for me.
 

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I guess I'm one of the few who actually regresses in skill. At least, this seems to go for 3rd Strike and BB on my matches. :(
No, I definitely go through that, but I can't help but laugh at my earliest replay from back when I was getting into fighting games.

I don't really want to look back at the CS1/2 stuff. Early CS1 stuff would be Tsubaki too, that would be just too painful to watch. :urg:
 

LivewiresXe

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Daaamn at some of those Muzzle Flitter combos. And is that CH TK Revolver Blast? Oh Noel, they didn't. :cool:

Also, amusingly enough, that's got to be the first time I noticed the Overdrive gauge itself. Which, is odd.
 
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