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…kinda hope they find a way to fight one another real quick

Adding to that, Feige confirmed that there are still more castings to be unveiled which I'm certain there will be further information possibly within this year's San Diego Comic-con event.

 

[Michele]

I'm still excited and will get Switch 2 and Mario Kart as soon as I can but I have some... long thoughts about it, so I would like to prepare you to a long ramble. This is just my first impressions and considering the atmosphere I'm afraid I'm going to have to put my foot down, even if it inevitably have posts slinging at me—there is just no way for people to not call me a 'Nintendo' shill even if I tried to be more neutral about it so I'm going to have to let it all out.

TLDR: Despite the negativity surrounding the information about pre launch Nintendo Switch 2, I think in the end it will do well in long term, even if not quite as popular as Switch 1 sales which was an one time thing. The controversy and negativity right now will fizzle out, and nothing will change in the end, just like what happened with the Switch 1 pre launch and launch atmosphere. I predict that customers will start to shift toward buying games that are expensive but doesn't make them think so much about MTX over and over. I'd rather pay something a bit more expensive over a broken, rushed game with MTX.

Seeing intense backlash and negativity around the new console as a whole has sort of disappointed me. And... actually made me feel out of touch. Like, I know I tend to be chronically online at times but... am I the only person who just shrugged at games costing 10$ more or something? Am I like... the only person who didn't care that much? People seem to be reacting like it's the end of the world and it's just... not?

I can understand if it's double the price, eg. 60 -> 120, but so far most of the games seem to be more 70$ with MK World being 80$. So seeing the visceral reaction confuses me. I have even asked my friend if they saw the Switch 2 direct, they said 'no, but i know about a few details, feel free to rant about it here', and I'm like... I'm not fussed or unhappy about the presentation and the pricing? I'm being serious because I don't understand when people say "the pricing killed my hype for it". Is it that EASY to kill hype? It takes a lot for me to lose my hype. That one didn't do much. It's rather dramatic. Do you say the same thing for when you play a game you were promised would be good, only to realize it's buggy, has MTX, etc.?

It's easy to whine... sorry, complain, about how greedy or scummy Nintendo is, but these words 'greedy' and 'scummy' while still relevant words, feel like buzzwords now. I actually buy nintendo games at full prices. I actively don't care so much about discounts. If I think I'll like the game, I'll buy it. If it happens to have discount, then I was just lucky, is all. I have accepted that they might have to raise prices, Nintendo is just following the trends. PS5 and I believe some Xbox games have had 70$ games it's not fully a new thing.

I do not like it either, but I also have to look beyond just games. Iit is true there are way more gamers nowadays, it's not proportional enough to keep the pricing the same, as dev but also marketing costs increase, devs increasingly get on large teams that get bloated, that's how we end up with AAA games being sloppy. Which brings me to my hot take which I'm sure not everyone will agree, but I have been thinking since I have started trying to study business in my free time as side hobby:

I think customers being adamant about 60$ pricing may have ultimately led executives to seek out alternative avenues to implement MTX, microtransactions, lootboxes, crowdfunding, so on... all these very annoying mini transactions within games that people whine about nowadays. It's starting to seep into single player games. Assassin's Creed Shadows is supposed to be single player game yet it has battle pass?? We're accepting of lootboxes in shooter games?? But somehow we're NOT accepting of one and done games being priced slightly higher?

This makes me mad because I'm a person who hates hypocrisy, and this comes off as hypocritical. If you were willing to pay upfront multiple dollars over several months on a single game, eg. paying for battle pass every time it refreshes, then you'd be willing to pay upfront a little more for an one and done game, because expenses from spending on MTX stuff rack up rather quick. If you told me there was a way I could pay 80$, 90$, or even 100$ upfront on a game and have full experience, no buts, no ifs, no MTXs, then I would gladly pay upfront, not as a case of 'coughing bloody money', but rather out of eagerness. addendum: I also think part of the issue is executives wasting money leading to increased costs through mismanagement, as well as teams being too large and aiming for large scopes right away, but that's a bit of a separate topic even if tangential.

This isn't even touching into economy. Do you know why there's a Japanese locked NS2 console in the home country? Yen as a currency in Japan is weak. That console comes out to 333$, there is a standard version that costs relatively the same everywhere. It's not "oh but Nintendo favors Japanese" it's because global economy as a whole is unstable, I don't wanna get into politics because of rules but IRL economy factors into this too, if not for... what tension we have right now maybe the Switch 2 would be more cheaper. It's certainly not something Nintendo is able to control. but TLDR is taking current situation into account it's easier to put a minimum of 70 or 80$ on games and then lower it when the situation calls for it, than raising it a year in.

This feels like exactly the Switch 1 pre launch mood and situation here, forums talking about how the library of launch line up was abymsal as well as how **** the prices (games and console) were, and calling it a flop and... well, we know how it went. So, I choose intentionally to go against the tide of negativity, speak up and say that I think despite all the negatives, the launch will do relatively well, people will quickly move on, and nothing will ultimately happen in the end. Like I'm speaking after observing 5+ years worth of discourse.

If you told me "I'm boycotting and will not buy Switch 2 or ever forever", I would have a hard time believing you, because it ends up being performative and it'll be difficult to group up enough players. Remember that famous image of people boycotting Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and yet in that group like 50% of the people ended up playing it anyways? Remember when people raised pitchforks over Sony raising its subscription costs for PS+ or when they tried to advertise their digital only PS5 console? People raised pitchforks over that, yet nothing happened in the end. It didn't even seem to impact their financials at all.

This isn't even me saying I wouldn't believe you out of malice or to bully you into submission, this is how things are. Online opinion never reflect offline, mainstream opinion that is the gamers who aren't as tuned in. Gaming is a common hobby. People will buy it anyways. They're the one who will likely decide the direction of gaming going forward. Boycotts can absolutely work, but gaming related boycott never appear to work or impact things in the long run. I'd be surprised if whatever is happening right now translates to offline reaction/feelings AND actually hurt Nintendo in the long term, but as it is, do not expect them to change their mind in the short term. Then again, I felt like a clown when they announced Tomodachi Life sequel last week, I'm only now starting to understand the appeal of that game but I have a bad habit of getting tired when long standing rumors keep going on for too long. so I am partially glad they at least included Wind Waker into Gamecube NSO to kill off any speculation of WW HD port or remake. Same opinion about the longstanding Bloodborne port rumor. If it's NOT happening, it's just not happening, period.

To finish up this post, I predict that as devs continue to implement MTX into even single player AAA games in some form or another such as DLC, customers will start to get tired or fed up with constant microtransactions in games and will opt to go for one and done games like most Nintendo games, indie games, so on. Something has to give. I'll ask you, do you want a 60$ game that is riddled with MTX, battle passes and ****ty DLC? Or do you want to spend 80$ or a little more for games that are finished, are full games and not rushed, without any catch or MTX, none of ****ty stuff? Customers will have to face a reckoning and something will have to give out. And I think there will be more preferential treatment toward games that are expensive but have no MTX. Gaming is a fickle business. Gamers' worst enemies are themselves.


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Hi everyone by the way, I hope everyone is doing well. I'm trying to keep my cool and not be aggressive, but I have been busy with life recently. Passed exams, didn't pass calculus. So on... I could say more but ehh, life is quiet right now. I want to finally pick up more console gaming and stop being so much on PC. Hell, I'm waiting for Genshin Impact on Switch... ehe te nanteyo. Sometimes I feel better about getting feelings out of your system instead of holding them in.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Gamecube NSO wishlist for me

Resident Evil series
Sonic series
Viewtiful Joe series
Wario World
Skies of Arcadia
Puyo Pop Fever
Kirby Air Ride
Killer7
Zelda Twilight Princess
Mario Kart Double Dash
MGS Twin Snakes
Frogger
Metroid Prime 2
Star Fox Assault
I-Ninja
Ultimate Spiderman

All the essentials to me and some bonuses

Gotta be honest, I'm still excited and will get Switch 2 and Mario Kart as soon as I can, though the sooner I can get the console or even day 1 the better. However, I have some... long thoughts about it, so I would like to prepare you to a long ramble. This is just my first impressions and considering the atmosphere I'm afraid I'm going to have to put my foot down, even if it inevitably have posts slinging at me—there is just no way for people to not call me a 'Nintendo' shill even if I tried to be more neutral about it so I'm going to have to let it all out.

Seeing intense backlash and negativity around the new console as a whole has sort of disappointed me. And... actually made me feel out of touch. Like, I know I tend to be chronically online at times but... am I the only person who just shrugged at games costing 10$ more or something? Am I like... the only person who didn't care that much? People seem to be reacting like it's the end of the world and it's just... not?

I can understand if it's double the price, eg. 60 -> 120, but so far most of the games seem to be more 70$ with MK World being 80$. So seeing the visceral reaction confuses me. I have even asked my friend if they saw the Switch 2 direct, they said 'no, but i know about a few details, feel free to rant about it here', and I'm like... I'm not fussed or unhappy about the presentation and the pricing? I'm being serious because I don't understand when people say "the pricing killed my hype for it". Is it that EASY to kill hype? It takes a lot for me to lose my hype. That one didn't do much. It's rather dramatic. Do you say the same thing for when you play a game you were promised would be good, only to realize it's buggy, has MTX, etc.?

I say this with question marks because as a gamer this doesn't sound like something I'd be fussed about. It's easy to whine... sorry, complain, about how greedy or scummy Nintendo is, but these words 'greedy' and 'scummy' while still relevant words, feel like buzzwords now. I actually buy nintendo games at full prices. I actively don't care so much about discounts. If I think I'll like the game, I'll buy it. If it happens to have discount, then I was just lucky, is all. I have accepted that they might have to raise prices, Nintendo is just following the trends. PS5 and I believe some Xbox games have had 70$ games it's not fully a new thing. What might be a little new is 80$ games and I believe this is a test right now.

Do I necessarily like it? Not really, but I also have to look beyond just games. Even though it is true there are way more gamers nowadays, it's not proportional enough to keep the pricing the same, as dev but also marketing costs increase, devs increasingly get on large teams that get bloated, that's how we end up with AAA games being sloppy. Which brings me to my hot take which I'm sure not everyone will agree, but I have been thinking since I have started trying to study business in my free time as side hobby:

I think customers being adamant about 60$ pricing may have ultimately led executives to seek out alternative avenues to implement MTX, microtransactions, lootboxes, crowdfunding, so on... all these very annoying mini transactions within games that people whine about nowadays. It's starting to seep into single player games. Assassin's Creed Shadows is supposed to be single player game yet it has battle pass?? We're accepting of lootboxes in shooter games?? But somehow we're NOT accepting of one and done games being priced slightly higher? This makes me mad because I'm a person who hates hypocrisy, and this comes off as hypocritical. If you were willing to pay upfront multiple dollars over several months on a single game, such as paying for battle pass every time it refreshes, then you should in theory be willing to pay upfront a little more for an one and done game, because expenses from spending on MTX stuff rack up rather quick. If you told me there was a way I could pay 80$, 90$, or even 100$ upfront on a game and have full experience, no buts, no ifs, no MTXs, then I would gladly pay upfront, not as a case of 'coughing bloody money', but rather out of eagerness. addendum: I also think part of the issue is executives wasting money leading to increased costs through mismanagement, as well as teams being too large and aiming for large scopes right away, but that's a bit of a separate topic even if tangential.

This isn't even touching into economy. Do you know why there's a Japanese locked NS2 console in the home country? Yen as a currency in Japan is weak. That console comes out to 333$, there is a standard version that costs relatively the same everywhere. It's not "oh but Nintendo favors Japanese" it's because global economy as a whole is unstable, I don't wanna get into politics because of rules but IRL economy factors into this too, if not for... what tension we have right now maybe the Switch 2 would be more cheaper. It's certainly not something Nintendo is able to control. but TLDR is taking current situation into account it's easier to put a minimum of 70 or 80$ on games and then lower it when the situation calls for it, than raising it a year in.

This feels like exactly the Switch 1 pre launch mood and situation here. A bit lean on console sure, but I remember forums talking about how the library of launch line up was abymsal as well as how **** the prices (games and console) were, and calling it a flop and... well, we know how it went. So, I choose intentionally to go against the tide of negativity, speak up and say that I think despite all the negatives, the launch will do relatively well, people will quickly move on, and nothing will ultimately happen in the end. Like I'm speaking after observing 5+ years worth of discourse.

If you told me "I'm boycotting and will not buy Switch 2 or ever forever", I would have a hard time believing you, because it ends up being performative and it'll be difficult to group up enough players. Remember that famous image of people boycotting Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and yet in that group like 50% of the people ended up playing it anyways? Remember when people raised pitchforks over Sony raising its subscription costs for PS+ or when they tried to advertise their digital only PS5 console? People raised pitchforks over that, yet nothing happened in the end. It didn't even seem to impact their financials at all.

This isn't even me saying I wouldn't believe you out of malice or to bully you into submission, this is how things are. Online opinion never reflect offline, mainstream opinion that is the gamers who aren't as tuned in. Gaming is a common hobby. People will buy it anyways. They're the one who will likely decide the direction of gaming going forward. Boycotts can absolutely work, but gaming related boycott never appear to work or impact things in the long run. I'd be surprised if whatever is happening right now translates to offline reaction/feelings AND actually hurt Nintendo in the long term, but as it is, do not expect them to change their mind in the short term. Then again, I felt like a clown when they announced Tomodachi Life sequel last week, I'm only now starting to understand the appeal of that game but I have a bad habit of getting tired when long standing rumors keep going on for too long. so I am partially glad they at least included Wind Waker into Gamecube NSO to kill off any speculation of WW HD port or remake. Same opinion about the longstanding Bloodborne port rumor. If it's NOT happening, it's just not happening, period.

To finish up this post, I predict that as devs continue to implement MTX into even single player AAA games in some form or another such as DLC, customers will start to get tired or fed up with constant microtransactions in games and will opt to go for one and done games like most Nintendo games, indie games, so on. Something has to give. I'll ask you, do you want a 60$ game that is riddled with MTX, battle passes and ****ty DLC? Or do you want to spend 80$ or a little more for games that are finished, are full games and not rushed, without any catch or MTX, none of ****ty stuff? Customers will have to face a reckoning and something will have to give out. And I think there will be more preferential treatment toward games that are expensive but have no MTX. Gaming is a fickle business. Gamers' worst enemies are themselves.

TLDR: Despite the negativity surrounding the information about pre launch Nintendo Switch 2, I think in the end it will do well in long term, even if not quite as popular as Switch 1 sales which was an one time thing. The controversy and negativity right now will fizzle out, and nothing will change in the end, just like what happened with the Switch 1 pre launch and launch atmosphere. I predict that customers will start to shift toward buying games that are expensive but doesn't make them think so much about MTX over and over. I'd rather pay something a bit more expensive over a broken, rushed game with MTX.

...

Hi everyone by the way, I hope everyone is doing well. I'm trying to keep my cool and not be aggressive, but I have been busy with life recently. Passed exams, didn't pass calculus. So on... I could say more but ehh, life is quiet right now. I want to finally pick up more console gaming and stop being so much on PC. Hell, I'm waiting for Genshin Impact on Switch... ehe te nanteyo. Sometimes I feel better about getting feelings out of your system instead of holding them in.

I could take an hour of my free time to politely dissect this piece by piece to explain how you're wrong but I would rather spend my time on earth enjoying myself instead of having to explain to a child that games costing 30 euros more is a bad thing

 

[Michele]

Gamecube NSO wishlist for me

Resident Evil series
Sonic series
Viewtiful Joe series
Wario World
Skies of Arcadia
Puyo Pop Fever
Kirby Air Ride
Killer7
Zelda Twilight Princess
Mario Kart Double Dash
MGS Twin Snakes
Frogger
Metroid Prime 2
Star Fox Assault
I-Ninja
Ultimate Spiderman

All the essentials to me and some bonuses

I could take an hour of my free time to politely dissect this piece by piece to explain how you're wrong but I would rather spend my time on earth enjoying myself instead of having to explain to a child that games costing 30 euros more is a bad thing

Yes, yes, I know, my apologies that I am actually still excited for the console and will buy it with genuine interest, instead of being so negative or nitpicky because of one or two thing and don't bother to evaluate as a whole. I know precisely what's going to happen after partecipating in the online discourse for years now so I made the statement. If anything it's Playstation and Xbox who is starting the trend, so I am overdue to give them their flacks too.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yes, yes, I know, my apologies that I am actually still excited for the console and will buy it with genuine interest instead of being so negative or nitpicky because of one or two thing instead of evaluating as a whole. I know precisely what's going to happen after partecipating in the online discourse for years now. If anything it's Playstation and Xbox who is starting the trend, so I am overdue to give them their flacks too.

Show me a single person here who's saying you're in the wrong for looking forward to the Switch 2 or the games. Here's a hint: it's less than the amount of people who have issues with the price hike and here's a second hint: it's less than 1. You can figure it out champ

 

[Michele]

Show me a single person here who's saying you're in the wrong for looking forward to the Switch 2 or the games. Here's a hint: it's less than the amount of people who have issues with the price hike and here's a second hint: it's less than 1. You can figure it out champ

I never said anything of the sort though, and never said it about you. This isn't even about that. I am saying I'm sure there will be people who disapprove of my opinion but the discourse not just on here has been rather black and white hence a bit of disappointment without looking at the more full picture. You can be begrudging about it, I don't really care that much. I don't even many want people to agree with me completely, I'm just saying how things are and that one will probably get pushback and that it's fine.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I never said anything of the sort though, and never said it about you. This isn't even about that. I am saying I'm sure there will be people who disapprove of my opinion but the discourse not just on here has been rather black and white hence a bit of disappointment without looking at the more full picture. You can be begrudging about it, I don't really care that much. I don't even many want people to agree with me completely, I'm just saying how things are and that one will probably get pushback and that it's fine.

Calling people who have to pay rent in a recession not willing to spend a significantly higher price whiny isn't being neutral like you claim it is. If you genuinely believe otherwise then you're just a spoiled rich kid

 

[Michele]

Calling people who have to pay rent in a recession not willing to spend a significantly higher price whiny isn't being neutral like you claim it is. If you genuinely believe otherwise then you're just a spoiled rich kid

And therein lies my problem with the online discourse, the lack of rational and critical thinking. Must I spell it out for you?

I am being accusative about that one because it shows the hypocrisy gamers seem to have with the whole monetization stuff. Gamers are fine with paying more in MTX, paying more in the form of DLC, paying more in the form of lootboxes, so on... like, even spending way more than spending for a few one and done games. Should I take it one step further? There was quite the storm regarding Riot releasing a 400$+ League of Legends commemorative skin yet people still proceeded to buy that skin anyways, indicating there is no limit to elasticity, so as long as consumers like it.

But god forbid you consider increasing one and done game prices by like... 10$ across the board, and suddenly there's an online riot around the whole thing. Granted, it is a bit of an ambitious project, but where the **** is the energy in complaining about MTX being more and more expensive? I get League of Legends is a live service game so it's hard to make a fair comparison but my god it's a blatant example of how much people complain about money yet pay for it anyways.

If you really don't like that someone is trying to make a detailed analysis about the whole thing, I think the best advice is to do some proper research, and read the context in between, otherwise move on at least. I'm taking a stand because it's tiring of hearing the same negative arguments about gaming without being proactive about your commitments, for those who said they would be holding out on Switch 2 or no longer buying it. It means you lack firm values and proper belief in yourself to do what is good for you.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Gamers are fine with paying more in MTX, paying more in the form of DLC, paying more in the form of lootboxes,

The problem with that line of thinking is that not everyone buys DLC. For example, there's always been reports of only 10% of people downloading F2P games buying anything for them.

 

[TheMightyP]

I'm sure the multibillion dollar company is starving so much that they gotta charge 3 year old games above market price

 

[Michele]

The problem with that line of thinking is that not everyone buys DLC. For example, there's always been reports of only 10% of people downloading F2P games buying anything for them.

I didn't really say that everyone will buy DLC, but yes, you're also correct here. It just depends on the scope of the DLC. If it's for example a Switch 2 upgrade pack, then it might be more worth since so far they appear to contain new content expect for PLZA, which we need to know more of it. At least, that's the criteria.

My general point however, coupled in with them paying more in form of lootboxes or MTX, is more aimed at devs who rush out ****ty DLC like ****ty cosmetics and expect people to pay upfront for it, and this is being accepted a bit too much, like eating it up too much. And that shouldn't always be the case. I'd be fine with what they're doing for Mario Party Jamboore, Zelda and Kirby games because of the upgrade packs offering a few new content, upgrade in graphics and a few quality of life. But if for example PLZA doesn't do much aside from graphical upgrade with Switch 2 edition then it might not be as worth... then again, they usually sell like hotcakes so it's a little moot to elaborate too much. I don't particularily care too much for Pokemon so I'm afraid I'm not as fussy.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And therein lies my problem with the online discourse, the lack of rational and critical thinking. Must I spell it out for you?

I am being accusative about that one because it shows the hypocrisy gamers seem to have with the whole monetization stuff. Gamers are fine with paying more in MTX, paying more in the form of DLC, paying more in the form of lootboxes, so on... like, even spending way more than spending for a few one and done games. Should I take it one step further? There was quite the storm regarding Riot releasing a 400$+ League of Legends commemorative skin yet people still proceeded to buy that skin anyways, indicating there is no limit to elasticity, so as long as consumers like it.

But god forbid you consider increasing one and done game prices by like... 10$ across the board, and suddenly there's an online riot around the whole thing. Granted, it is a bit of an ambitious project, but where the **** is the energy in complaining about MTX being more and more expensive? I get League of Legends is a live service game so it's hard to make a fair comparison but my god it's a blatant example of how much people complain about money yet pay for it anyways.

If you really don't like that someone is trying to make a detailed analysis about the whole thing, I think the best advice is to do some proper research, and read the context in between, otherwise move on at least. I'm taking a stand because it's tiring of hearing the same negative arguments about gaming without being proactive about your commitments. It means you lack firm values and proper belief in yourself to do what is good for you.

This analysis sucks because your 'proper research' is ignoring a whole 50% price increase on games and seems to not only think Daddy Nintendo doesn't do microtransactions or overpriced DLC that nobody wants, but also assumes that nobody will simply copy Nintendo or god forbid, Rockstar with the rumoured 100 USD price tag for GTAVI. Like. Use your brain for 5 seconds here dude

I'd rather pay something a bit more expensive over a broken, rushed game with MTX.

What happens if those broken, rushed MTX games also end up costing this much? Would you still gladly pay a price that's 'a bit more expensive' or would you disagree with paying like 120 USD for Nintendo because they somehow never have broken, rushed games with overpriced DLC? People aren't going "Wah wah I don't want to spend money", if they were, we'd be ******** about games costing more than 40 USD like in the good old days of the ps1. We're considering the economy and the effect it has on the average person, the average family, how the rest of the gaming industry will react to this, etc. going "Get over it and give them money because I like Nintendo more" isn't gonna cut in debate class or whatever it is you Americans do, and it sure won't cut it here

EDIT: 40 was a typo, games used to cost 50 back then

 

[TheMightyP]

I don't think anyone had the mentality that games were gonna remain at $60. It was a gradual shift; TOTK was $70, and people, while a little upset, were more understanding of that.

Like if the new Mario Kart was just $70, I promise the price complaints are far less and few in between. Not a one and one third price hike so it goes for more than market price.

This just feels like greed and everyone sniffed it out.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Btw those 'broken, rushed games with microtransactions' at least go on sale. I bought DMCV on the year it launched for like 30 euros, Nintendo can't even stomach the idea of a game going on sale for 30 euros less. If I couldn't buy Ys games at a discount when I first got into them there's a very good chance I wouldn't be buying them full price at launch now, ****ty Switch ports be damned

 

[Hex D. Jess]

I just got into figure collecting, juggling two very expansive hobbies with having to buy food and pay bills is pretty miserable.

I'm not really a financially responsible person either, I try my hardest but berating myself after every spur of the moment purchase I make for my own happiness takes a toll on me and now that one of my biggest sources of happiness is gonna cost even more I don't know how I'm gonna manage all that.

And I have it pretty good compared to a lot of other people in terms of income and socioeconomic standing (though the latter is also about to change somewhat), so what does that tell you?

 

[Michele]

This analysis sucks because your 'proper research' is ignoring a whole 50% price increase on games and seems to not only think Daddy Nintendo doesn't do microtransactions or overpriced DLC that nobody wants, but also assumes that nobody will simply copy Nintendo or god forbid, Rockstar with the rumoured 100 USD price tag for GTAVI. Like. Use your brain for 5 seconds here dude


What happens if those broken, rushed MTX games also end up costing this much? Would you still gladly pay a price that's 'a bit more expensive' or would you disagree with paying like 120 USD for Nintendo because they somehow never have broken, rushed games with overpriced DLC? People aren't going "Wah wah I don't want to spend money", if they were, we'd be ******** about games costing more than 40 USD like in the good old days of the ps1. We're considering the economy and the effect it has on the average person, the average family, how the rest of the gaming industry will react to this, etc. going "Get over it and give them money because I like Nintendo more" isn't gonna cut in debate class or whatever it is you Americans do, and it sure won't cut it here

To first paragraph: why would I even ignore the price increase on games? I'll start calling them out when they start to do more MTX in specific, but at this point so far, what they have offered for 1st party games have been actual DLCs, sometimes bundled in with NSO expansion pass. I am saying that I expected prices to increase, and it is something consumers, much as they don't like it, will have to accept, or deal with other side effects. Customers aren't always right.

I'm assuming you're referring to Mario Kart World's pricing since you mentioned whole 50% price increase. That one is misinformation because of thinking about currencies only in USA currency. MK World in NA is 80$ for physical. Europe has a weird VAT taxation thing that makes games a little more expensive, hence 90 euros. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was on average 70 euros. And to be honest, I have been to shops where Nintendo games are sold for less than recommended, this is speaking as an European person. Secondly, since you talked about copying practices, Nintendo is only following what's up in trends. Playstation and Xbox have always had been the ones to start the trend with games costing 70$ or even 80$, I recall the discontent around that one. Again, consumers can be more elastic than you think. You're probably not as elastic and that's fine but same can't be said for mainstream people.

To answer the second question, it is indeed good question and that's why I'll say this following, sticking to my values: I'll find out for myself what happens and what can I do when that happens. If I feel that despite the increases the state of gaming remaisn the same and confidence in gaming is decreasing, then I will withdraw. I tend to be hardheaded. It's sort of the same principle with live service games like MMORPG. If I feel I am bored of the game or no longer like the direct, then I will quit, simple as that. It takes a lot for me to be dissatisfied and as I said before gaming is a volatile market. If things changes for the better with this change, then I will accept it. If it changes for the worse, I brace myself for consequences and accept responsibility. I don't know how to explain it to you but it's the mindset of wanting to find out what will happen, what'll be offered and the consequences.

Honestly I get you're trying to say the issue isn't 'wah wah i don't want to spend money' but so far like... a good amount of discourse feel like it revolves around that a bit. Like I said, I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of spending money on things you enjoy. People are more fine with MTX but when it's one and done games it leads to a riot... yeah, give me a break. sorry but I can no longer tolerate that kind of hypocrisy considering I play gacha games and people blatantly love to spend a lot on them, like FGO, Genshin. But it's a different topic because 1. It's a genre in itself and 2. I am free to play and have never spent, however I have witness quite a lot of spending on games with bad spark systems.

Finally, I suppose the better way to word about it is that there is a problem with how people perceive spending money and allowances you have. If you want to not give money to them, so be it. But don't just be empty in your words, follow through with it. And this leads to the following issue, gamers are the worst enemy, they complain about these kinda monetization stuff yet they spend for it anyways, spend way more for MTX which shows their hypocritical position. If you have an issue with a small spending increase but are fine with MTX which makes people spend much more, even impulsively, then I think it is a fair idea to re-evaluate your spending priorities because these stuff about constant discounts, so on have altered your perception by a lot. You're just going to have to accept that things will have to cost more. Mainstream population likely will have spoken by then.

You want these issues to be forever addressed or at least have its concerns minimized? Might have to look into the problem of jobs not giving as much pay raises or wages, not enough wiggle room to not have to worry about keep up with rents. I'm lucky to have a supportive family but even I realize the economy's going to ****ter and it's going to affect everything, not just food and expenses but also gaming. Funny you think I'm American though, what I am saying is from the perspective of an European and to my knowledge it's more European people who complained about it anecdoctally, than NA people. I'll probably have to, for example, be a little more picky about spending, but that won't easily dampen my excitement for the console and for games.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Seeing intense backlash and negativity around the new console as a whole has sort of disappointed me.

Well. What do you expect? The console and ganes are priced out of many people budgets and hobbies. We are rightfully pissed
As much as I want the switch 2. I absolutly can NOT justify paying 449 for the console +80 bucks for the game or 500 smakers for a bundle

 

[TheMightyP]

There's a reason why nobody's complaining about Bananza but Mario Kart and a 3 year old Kirby game is gettkng a ton of backlash

 

[Michele]

Well. What do you expect? The console and ganes are priced out of many people budgets and hobbies. We are rightfully pissed

The part that disappoint me more is how black and white the whole thing is and it sure doesn't seem like it'll die down, I am making my stand regarding the problem right now. Also wasn't the issue more about game prices than the console? General consenus seem to be that console prices are okay, game prices are not.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To first paragraph: why would I even ignore the price increase on games? I'll start calling them out when they start to do more MTX in specific, but at this point so far, what they have offered for 1st party games have been actual DLCs, sometimes bundled in with NSO expansion pass. I am saying that I expected prices to increase, and it is something consumers, much as they don't like it, will have to accept, or deal with other side effects. Customers aren't always right.

I'm assuming you're referring to Mario Kart World's pricing since you mentioned whole 50% price increase. That one is misinformation because of thinking about currencies only in USA currency. MK World in NA is 80$ for physical. Europe has a weird VAT taxation thing that makes games a little more expensive, hence 90 euros. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was on average 70 euros. And to be honest, I have been to shops where Nintendo games are sold for less than recommended, this is speaking as an European person. Secondly, since you talked about copying practices, Nintendo is only following what's up in trends. Playstation and Xbox have always had been the ones to start the trend with games costing 70$ or even 80$, I recall the discontent around that one. Again, consumers can be more elastic than you think. You're probably not as elastic and that's fine but same can't be said for mainstream people.

To answer the second question, it is indeed good question and that's why I'll say this following, sticking to my values: I'll find out for myself what happens and what can I do when that happens. If I feel that despite the increases the state of gaming remaisn the same and confidence in gaming is decreasing, then I will withdraw. I tend to be hardheaded. It's sort of the same principle with live service games like MMORPG. If I feel I am bored of the game or no longer like the direct, then I will quit, simple as that. It takes a lot for me to be dissatisfied and as I said before gaming is a volatile market. If things changes for the better with this change, then I will accept it. If it changes for the worse, I brace myself for consequences and accept responsibility. I don't know how to explain it to you but it's the mindset of wanting to find out what will happen, what'll be offered and the consequences.

Honestly I get you're trying to say the issue isn't 'wah wah i don't want to spend money' but so far like... a good amount of discourse feel like it revolves around that a bit. Like I said, I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of spending money on things you enjoy. People are more fine with MTX but when it's one and done games it leads to a riot... yeah, give me a break. sorry but I can no longer tolerate that kind of hypocrisy considering I play gacha games and people blatantly love to spend a lot on them, like FGO, Genshin. But it's a different topic because 1. It's a genre in itself and 2. I am free to play and have never spent, however I have witness quite a lot of spending on games with bad spark systems.

Finally, I suppose the better way to word about it is that there is a problem with how people perceive spending money and allowances you have. If you want to not give money to them, so be it. But don't just be empty in your words, follow through with it. And this leads to the following issue, gamers are the worst enemy, they complain about these kinda monetization stuff yet they spend for it anyways, spend way more for MTX which shows their hypocritical position. If you have an issue with a small spending increase but are fine with MTX which makes people spend much more, even impulsively, then I think it is a fair idea to re-evaluate your spending priorities because these stuff about constant discounts, so on have altered your perception by a lot. You're just going to have to accept that things will have to cost more. Mainstream population likely will have spoken by then.

You want these issues to be forever addressed or at least have its concerns minimized? Might have to look into the problem of jobs not giving as much pay raises or wages, not enough wiggle room to not have to worry about keep up with rents. I'm lucky to have a supportive family but even I realize the economy's going to ****ter and it's going to affect everything, not just food and expenses but also gaming. Funny you think I'm American though, what I am saying is from the perspective of an European and to my knowledge it's more European people who complained about it anecdoctally, than NA people. I'll probably have to, for example, be a little more picky about spending, but that won't easily dampen my excitement for the console and for games.

I'll stop because you clearly are just a "Mommy Daddy I want the new toy" kind of person unlike the adults here. Also, next time, don't lie about MK8DX being 70, it wasn't and don't say "90 euros is misinformation" when that's the MRSP or that you find Nintendo games for super cheap when physical copies of launch year titles for the Switch are still full price and the eshop also has said titles for full price. Have fun when the 90 euro games start getting DLC or have performance issues though! That last one might already be the case for Kirby judging by the trailer too seeing how it lagged so hard it froze. 90 euros. The price the game launched for, plus half. Yaaaaaaay I love capitalism!

 

[Noipoi]

$70 games isn’t ideal but we knew it was coming. $450 for the console is a bit more than what we wanted but still around what we expected.

It’s just the $80 games, man. That’s the step too far for most people, and I agree. It feels really egregious.

Also the paid Welcome Tour is stupid, but no one cares about the Welcome Tour.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The part that disappoint me more is how black and white the whole thing is and it sure doesn't seem like it'll die down, I am making my stand regarding the problem right now. Also wasn't the issue more about game prices than the console? General consenus seem to be that console prices are okay, game prices are not.

For some its the game, for some its the console. For some its both. Im in the both range.

if Nintendo brings that bundle price down by a cool 100, making is 399.99 or the solo price to 339.99, maybe Id buy it. 449 and 500 is to much for a console. I could buy groceries with that money

 

[Michele]

I'll stop because you clearly are just a "Mommy Daddy I want the new toy" kind of person unlike the adults here. Also, next time, don't lie about MK8DX being 70, it wasn't and don't say "90 euros is misinformation" when that's the MRSP or that you find Nintendo games for super cheap when physical copies of launch year titles for the Switch are still full price and the eshop also has said titles for full price. Have fun when the 90 euro games start getting DLC or have performance issues though! That last one might already be the case for Kirby judging by the trailer too seeing how it lagged so hard it froze. 90 euros. The price the game launched for, plus half. Yaaaaaaay I love capitalism!

Sorry, I got it wrong. It's 60$. But I had to buy it a little above that in my shop and I recall as far back as before launch that they changed the price to be undetermined for a period. The point stands though and abjusted for inflation it's 80$. Wish you would stop misconstructing the argument into me saying "90 euros is misinformation" though—the point is people claiming Mario Kart World cost 90 dollars physical and digital is 80$ isn't considering the currencies because the physical version is same as digital, it's people misreading the euro currency as USD and thinking it means the game costs 90$,

Your post is why I have to tell you to either do more research and do more thinking next time, or move on and try to not respond right away. If you're not willing to make an effort to think about it or vote with your wallet, don't be surprised when companies don't listen to you. And I expect that as time goes on, people will move on, and nothing will ultimately happen in the end. It's not a 'oh daddy nintendo' like you think it is, it is a problem of consumers being upset and complaining about negatives yet still choosing to pay for it upfront, online opinion do not reflect mainstream, offline opinion which is what people miss here. But when I have to explain to people about needing to vote with their wallets it results in backlash, so it's not worth it in the end. Over, and out.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly though the price hike is so ****ing bad. One of my best friends is a 'physical media forever' kind of guy and though he's now ok with buying digital games, all of which being lower budget indie games, he's gonna have to spend an extra 50 euros compared to me assuming I can get a bundle with MKW, he's not as well off or used to living on his own as I am, he can't afford a 90 euro game and my other friends I regularly still play games with are all severely turned off, even the ones who make way more money than me and won't need our extra large May paychecks to cover it if we get it. **** sucks man, I just wanna keep playing with my best friends into the new generation

 

[PLATINUM7]

There's a reason why nobody's complaining about Bananza but Mario Kart and a 3 year old Kirby game is gettkng a ton of backlash

I'll be honest, I haven't seen anyone bring up Kirby when complaining. Your comment got me to look at the price for the Switch 2 version and it's wild seeing how much cheaper the Switch 1 version is. Most talk I've seen about it is on the upgrade path. I think it having new content makes it one of the more justified upgrades. Given what the upgrade prices confirmed in Japan are, if its similar elsewhere people getting the Switch 1 version and then paying for the upgrade would save more compared to getting the Switch 2 version.

Getting the cheaper version and upgrade was what I thought I'd do with PS5 games. Except it didn't work out that you'd save much. Then they also did stuff like bundle Spider-Man Remastered exclusively with the PS5 version of Miles Morales.

 

[Pink Yoshi]

Y'all I just woke up after the spottiest sleep of my life, what in the name of Zavok is happening right now-

 

[Hex D. Jess]

Oh yeah also I'm a physical game gal all the way but I guess that's gonna have to change now huh

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

One thing that reaaal makes me mad, and I know its petty, is these youtubers who are bragging anout getting it day 1 to a chat full of people who probably cant get it day 1.
They are part of the problem

Oh yeah also I'm a physical game gal all the way but I guess that's gonna have to change now huh

Ive been digital since 3ds, lost to many game carts and made the switch. Been working for me + the fact VA doesnt do taxes on Eshop so Marios crisp 80 bucks would probably be 79.99 for me

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Btw does anyone have a list of titles with Switch 2 upgrades? I remember them saying not all upgrades are gonna be paid ones woth bonus stuff and that Sonadow Gens happens to be one of those, but I don't have that list on me yet I have a remaining NSO voucher that expires soon because there haven't been any real good Nintendo games for me lately

 

[Michele]

Btw does anyone have a list of titles with Switch 2 upgrades? I remember them saying not all upgrades are gonna be paid ones woth bonus stuff and that Sonadow Gens happens to be one of those, but I don't have that list on me yet I have a remaining NSO voucher that expires soon because there haven't been any real good Nintendo games for me lately

So far this is the most comprehensive list of titles that have upgrade and its benefits for each title: https://www.ign.com/wikis/nintendo-switch-2/Nintendo_Switch_2_Edition_Games_List

Have to keep in mind though that BoTW and TotK upgrades are free if one has NSO Expansion Pass.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Btw does anyone have a list of titles with Switch 2 upgrades? I remember them saying not all upgrades are gonna be paid ones woth bonus stuff and that Sonadow Gens happens to be one of those, but I don't have that list on me yet I have a remaining NSO voucher that expires soon because there haven't been any real good Nintendo games for me lately

Paid upgrades

Games Enhanced for Nintendo Switch 2 - Nintendo US

Power up select Nintendo Switch games to the Nintendo Switch 2 Edition to get new features and enhancements! Learn about upgrade packs and how to get them for games like The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and more.

www.nintendo.com

Free upgrades

Nintendo Switch Games with Free Nintendo Switch 2 Updates - Nintendo US

Free updates to improve playability on the Nintendo Switch 2 system will be released for selected Nintendo Switch games.

www.nintendo.com

 

[TheMightyP]

Paid upgrades

Games Enhanced for Nintendo Switch 2 - Nintendo US

Power up select Nintendo Switch games to the Nintendo Switch 2 Edition to get new features and enhancements! Learn about upgrade packs and how to get them for games like The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and more.

www.nintendo.com

Free upgrades

Nintendo Switch Games with Free Nintendo Switch 2 Updates - Nintendo US

Free updates to improve playability on the Nintendo Switch 2 system will be released for selected Nintendo Switch games.

www.nintendo.com

A bit inconsistent I feel, Forgotten Land and Mario Party being paid makes sense given they add new content, but the Zelda Games, Metroid, and Pokemon being paid despite just being visual and framerate upgrades is... hm.

 

[SneakyLink]

Paid upgrades

Games Enhanced for Nintendo Switch 2 - Nintendo US

Power up select Nintendo Switch games to the Nintendo Switch 2 Edition to get new features and enhancements! Learn about upgrade packs and how to get them for games like The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and more.

www.nintendo.com

Free upgrades

Nintendo Switch Games with Free Nintendo Switch 2 Updates - Nintendo US

Free updates to improve playability on the Nintendo Switch 2 system will be released for selected Nintendo Switch games.

www.nintendo.com

These only cover the Nintendo owned titles. Other games such as Civilization 7 are not listed.

I used the Wikipedia list and even it is excluding Sonic x Shadow Generations from the Switch 2 edition list. They do however, put is on their list of Switch 2 games so maybe it’s getting a dedicated port ala Fortnite?

 

[PLATINUM7]

A bit inconsistent I feel, Forgotten Land and Mario Party being paid makes sense given they add new content, but the Zelda Games, Metroid, and Pokemon being paid despite just being visual and framerate upgrades is... hm.

Might have to do with how big a boost they provide.

Zelda, Metroid and Pokemon have quite immediately noticeable upgrades but we haven't seen what the free ones look like or even do.

The Zelda ones I'll get through NSO and Metroid and Pokemon I'll likely just get the Switch 2 version (unless you can actually save by going the upgrade path).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Paid upgrades

Games Enhanced for Nintendo Switch 2 - Nintendo US

Power up select Nintendo Switch games to the Nintendo Switch 2 Edition to get new features and enhancements! Learn about upgrade packs and how to get them for games like The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and more.

www.nintendo.com

Free upgrades

Nintendo Switch Games with Free Nintendo Switch 2 Updates - Nintendo US

Free updates to improve playability on the Nintendo Switch 2 system will be released for selected Nintendo Switch games.

www.nintendo.com

Damn, no Astral Chain or Pikmin 3, both of those being games I'm considering using that voucher on... Though looking at that list, I will cry foul if the 2.5D Zeldas still have framerare issues on the Switch 2

A bit inconsistent I feel, Forgotten Land and Mario Party being paid makes sense given they add new content, but the Zelda Games, Metroid, and Pokemon being paid despite just being visual and framerate upgrades is... hm.

Ah, but you see, you get to use your phone to activate Hyrule Maps with Zelda, totally worth it!

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Depending on what my next paycheck is I will decide if I can afford the switch 2 or not. Also weather or not there will be a bundle with DKB or not.

 

[Hex D. Jess]

Idk when I'll buy a Switch 2. I wanna get it but idk if I can afford it.

I plan on splurging a lot less this month so maybe I'll buy it when DKB launches or I'll just ask my family to pitch in for my birthday

 

[Wario Bros.]

I am able to afford Switch 2 but I'll be getting the basics first. That includes Mario Kart bundle, the Switch 1 versions of Metroid Prime 4 and Pokémon Legends: Z-A, and Donkey Kong.

Micro SD express card, Pro Controller, and Switch 1 upgrades will be dealt with later.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Btw as bull**** as the game price hike is, it's pretty much every hobby getting hit by this

Higher taiffs means higher prices and to match prices, we Europeans need to suffer when US companies are involved with stuff like this. I'm just wondering how this will happen in a country with people who own guns and people who lose their **** at video games having women or whatever, iirc both people who tried to shoot Trump last year were right wing so like, there's clearly some overlap

 

[Noipoi]

Btw as bull**** as the game price hike is, it's pretty much every hobby getting hit by this
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Higher taiffs means higher prices and to match prices, we Europeans need to suffer when US companies are involved with stuff like this. I'm just wondering how this will happen in a country with people who own guns and people who lose their **** at video games having women or whatever, iirc both people who tried to shoot Trump last year were right wing so like, there's clearly some overlap

See guys, it’s not just video games!

Everyone’s getting screwed over