Yoshi Discussion

[th3kuzinator]

I use it when recovering against a falcon who is also off the stage trying to recover. Chances are, he will catch you in his upb and stage spike you easily. If I am high enough I throw an egg lightly straight up and hope that if he catches me, the egg will break his lock on me before he can push off.

Also it cancels your second jump faster than most other attack, so its useful for sweetspotting the ledge as well.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

I don't play as Yoshi, but all these egg things are making me want to... and now with this:

I use it when recovering against a falcon who is also off the stage trying to recover. Chances are, he will catch you in his upb and stage spike you easily. If I am high enough I throw an egg lightly straight up and hope that if he catches me, the egg will break his lock on me before he can push off.

Also it cancels your second jump faster than most other attack, so its useful for sweetspotting the ledge as well.

And that seems to be a good idea.

 

[mercenaries]

My favorite Yoshi combos so far...
1. Rickyssb's Yoshi on Falcon (TAS)
2. Alancitu's Yoshi on DK

 

[rpotts]

O_o How had I never seen that alancitu yoshi combo?? Thanks for postin.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Alancitu is soo good, its crazy

 

[The Star King]

I have a big feeling that Alancitu's combo doesn't connect @ the wall eggs.

Dang, Ricky's combo blew the triple egg combos I already have recorded out of the water, even though it was TAS.

 

[TANK64]

can't falcon tech after the fair?

 

[The Star King]

No, the Dair before doesn't cause Falcon to leave the ground.

 

[TANK64]

Wow, a light bulb just went on. So many combo possibilities I had thought were "non legit."
But I see what you're saying- Now I feel silly .

 

[asianaussie]

U-Tilt knocks Charmander out of the box. Awesome.

 

[dch111]

Perhaps the most casual way to eliminate Charmander.

 

[SSBPete]

Perhaps the most casual way to eliminate Charmander.

i think your forgetting about falcon punch

 

[asianaussie]

how is falcon punch more casual than u-tilt

captain falcon charges all of his manliness into his pinky finger (this is what he uses to punch) and releases it in a glorious burst of pure epic

yoshi just does an exaggerated 'sup' gesture

 

[The Star King]

Has anybody tried to learn how to parry -> double jump insta-land thing -> any ground move? I feel stupid for not thinking of this idea earlier.

I think it could potentially be EXTREMELY good. The main ground moves used will probably be ftilt or utilt

 

[Peek~]

Nova vs Peek~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cW-qoddmro

Yoshibros, some yoshi tips/advice for me?
I havent practiced Nair chains nor studied any yoshi vids yet

Slow down is not acceptable.

 

[The Star King]

Slow down is not acceptable.

I like how this man thinks. You're definitely right for Yoshi if you like speed/aggressiveness :D

I'm bad at giving advice though :[

 

[Fynal]

learn to walk-off-fair
looks really cool
basicly walk off, fair kill, and dj back up...

also down-angled fsmash for edgeguard, not dsmash (i know you didnt in vid)

and djc nair chains

parrys

idk, not rly the person to answer this

dont slow down

 

[blaze3927]

-Rolling is generally a bad opp.
-bair is generally better than fair for approach/defense, on better players, not so good players will get caught out more often than the more experienced however
-a good combo on dreamland when you gt the utilt at %12 ish is two uair to nair to utilt alancitu style
- or if not directly under the highest platform try three uairs to ftilt (on 1st level plat obv) to spike.
-yoshi dair< falcon uair, yoshi doesnt have much rnage for the lower region.
-probably best not too rely on dair so much for combos, as you play better players
-usmash and utilt are amazing defensive moves
-yoshi can approach from teh ground aswell, using dash/utilt/usmash, or doesnt hurt to play defensive

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

You can use egg's to edgeguard Falcon's recovery as well (also d-tilt works as well depending on where he is), approach more with B-air (either short hopped or djc'd). work on your DJC u-air combos, up tilt him and when he falls on the platform, read where he rolls/stands and follow up with an u-air or b-air.

I find Yoshi's d-tilt and f-tilt very useful for this matchup along with b-air.

 

[Fynal]

dtilt is a nice little pop but its easily overused (personal expierence)

dash attack - ftilt combos on samus/floaties are too good

never utilt jiggs unless ur sandbagging hard. always ftilt or something. jiggs goes too high, any expierenced played will jump away/dair before you can get up to areal, though an egg might work

edgeguarding with the upB is great

neut-B fast-DJC nesses and the like. its a grab thats fast, good range, and usable in the air. neut-B then eggthrow, for some reason the egg gets through their invincibility once the come out better than anything else. or just usmash/dair for damage

edit:

You can use egg's to edgeguard Falcon's recovery as well (also d-tilt works as well depending on where he is).

meh, down-angled fsmash is better than dtilt if you can time it right, more power and more range

but, well, harder to time

 

[ciaza]

dtilt is more useful at lower percents on floaties, as the constant knockback sends them quite far.

 

[Fynal]

dtilt is more useful at lower percents on floaties, as the constant knockback sends them quite far.

is true...

i gota try that

 

[ballin4life]

Utilt uair works on grounded jiggs ... but how often is jiggs grounded anyway?

 

[asianaussie]

almost never

u-tilt > egg sometimes works as a follow-up if you haven't told yourself to stop u-tilting floaties

 

[blaze3927]

does utilt fair work on weegi?

 

[ciaza]

does utilt fair work on weegi?

Yes.

10yes

 

[The Star King]

up tilt him and when he falls on the platform, read where he rolls/stands and follow up with an u-air or b-air.

It's very possible to land an up-air on Falcon after an up-tilt before he hits the ground of the platform, which is obviously better than guessing the tech, and he'll be in stun long enough so that you can land and utilt as long as he's not under like 20%.

 

[Peek~]

Thanks for the advice
Never realized how great Bair was.

Any tips for edgeguarding Mario/Luigi? Fsmash is tricky to time and Dtilt cant even hit. This is after eggs

 

[Blade689]

eggs are a great edge guard if they try to sweat spot. You can set them down right by the edge, blocking their path/chance to grip the edge. tricky to time, and they have some wiggle room on timign with their Rising tornadoes, but nothing too major to stop an Egg.

 

[asianaussie]

Short hop off and N-Air, if you run off and N-Air you won't be able to recover :\ It's a little risky but will basically always trade hits with them if you place yourself right, especially Luigi.

Or you could just edgehog, and when they land DJC F-Air > something.

 

[ballin4life]

I use fsmash on mario/luigi.

 

[ciaza]

I fair. It often trades hits, but minor damage is worth it for a stock.

 

[The Star King]

Seems like there's a lot of different things people use, but I seriously think eggs are the best. They beat the Up-B with no risk of trading or anything, you just have to learn to time them properly.

Also, try edgehogging, waiting for the Down-B, and do a ledge get-up -> utilt -> turnaround Fair. The spike off stage can be avoided by hard DI towards the stage though, so you might want to grab or utilt -> bair if they have good DI, or Fair -> Usmash/Down-B if you can manage it.

Fair spike them after the tornado lag if you get a chance. Good Luigis/Marios will use it really low so that you won't though, so your only option may be edgehogging.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

low angled Fsmash is best

 

[The Star King]

I never use FSmash for anything ever, maybe I should experiment with it more.

 

[ciaza]

I never use FSmash for anything ever, maybe I should experiment with it more.

Utilt>Fsmash makes for a nice change instead of Upsmash on heavies. It's lame when they catch on and start DIing upwards though.

 

[The Star King]

Why would I do that when USmash is more powerful though?

That's why I don't use FSmash much - not that it's bad, but that there's often a better option.

 

[ballin4life]

Sometimes you can utilt weak nair fsmash which will be a bit better than just utilt usmash i suppose

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

^^ yes
It has an extra hit.

Spoiler

simple math. jk

 

[The Star King]

Sometimes you can utilt weak nair fsmash which will be a bit better than just utilt usmash i suppose

Yeah but that works at percents where other combos probably would, like utilt weak nair ftilt fair, or utilt uair weak bair fair, or utilt weak nair utilt usmash, etc. I would probably try to do that instead.

When I said maybe I should experiment with it more, I meant mostly in edgeguarding. That's the only situation where I could see FSmash often being an optimal choice.