Yoshi Discussion

[SuPeRbOoM]

I crouch before parry to make it easier to do.

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not that I use yoshi or anything

 

[th3kuzinator]

crouching makes it harder for me :/

I still do it for the KB reductions

 

[The Star King]

dunno, it was me trying to remember something sheer once told me

I told you, noob <3. Anyways, I've had to correct the crouch-cancel misconception a million times, and people I've explained to why still don't seem to get it. I understand it's hard to visualize, so maybe I'll draw a picture explaining it or something.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Which misconception are we talking about again?

 

[Battlecow]

Which misconception are we talking about again?

The c-to-cc-b4-parry one

 

[The Star King]

No, its because if you miss the parry and get hit, you receive much less knockback because of the crouch cancel.

^This misconception. Yes, it's true that it you will crouch cancel if you get hit, but the main reason for crouching is that it makes the window for parrying larger.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Information Gained!

Do you know the exact frame advantage?

 

[The Star King]

Technically, it doesn't make the frame window larger. I know I'm probably gonna confuse you with this post, because it sounds like I'm contradicting myself. That's why I'll draw a picture eventually.

 

[Sangoku]

Aww why do you say half of th explaination only? =(

I want to know so bad now.

 

[SheerMadness]

Uhhh crouching makes parrying easier for me. That's why I do it. And sossy and prince both did it and they are who I learned it from so I got into the habit. Crouch canceling a missed parry is just an added benefit.

Honestly though you should learn without having to crouch too. As crouching can make it obvious you're going for a parry and they'll change their approach accordingly.

 

[StretchNutz]

Here is my thesis on how to use yoshi's egg **** technique effectively. Now I ain't no kind of math guy but I try to use some mathy like terms to explain it.
Imagine the angles at which you can throw eggs as equidistant rays on a plane emanating from yoshi. The continuation of this cycle of rays spans the hitbox of the egg **** maneuver.
When this is useful: uh. sometimes? I discovered it spamming up-b against a jiggs that was approaching and smash-diing against a wall of eggs and it just dawned on me that he/she/it moved into neutral-b range just naturally following the angle of the eggs.

anyway, who the **** cares? nobody. but my yoshi is non-technical and rulez.

 

[ciaza]

New super coolm Yoshi edgeguard tactic on Ness: Using your double jump super armor to fly into the PK thunder bolt and then going back to the stage.

 

[th3kuzinator]

How foolish I have been this entire time!

 

[ciaza]

There is much I can teach you about the ways of the Yoshi.

 

[asianaussie]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

that's funny

probably true since we're so deviant and stuff~

 

[cheeseball341]

New super coolm Yoshi edgeguard tactic on Ness: Using your double jump super armor to fly into the PK thunder bolt and then going back to the stage.

Once again you steal my inventions. Lame-o.

 

[ciaza]

You're just mad because I invented duck>rest before you.

 

[SSBPete]

No one would play Jigglypuff if it wern't for Dean. Dean practically invented Jiggs and at the very least made the duck>rest famous. Sorry ciaza.

 

[asianaussie]

but dean is a jerk

and nobody invented things, people just brought them to the scene, like me abusing hookshot in the tent/kuro using f-tilt in the tent/judy jabbing every few seconds to make me feel like a tool

 

[SheerMadness]

Lies I was crouch cancel/duck resting people years ago.

You aussies are way behind. And you've got the Yoshi discussion thread way off topic.

 

[ciaza]

We're not talking about crouch cancel. Straight up crouch>rest. Mind games so many freakin' people as everyone's automatic approach is to short hop>aerial, and then since the crouch hurtbox is so small you avoid the opponent's aerial and hit the rest.

 

[SheerMadness]

I know I was saying I do both.

Anyone who plays competitive melee knows this stuff. I started doing it in 64 years ago after seeing jiggs duck rest Marth grabs and crouch cancel dash attacks and whatnot.

 

[ciaza]

Well that makes sense since the guy (Dean) is originally a melee player.

 

[SSBPete]

Lies I was crouch cancel/duck resting people years ago.

You aussies are way behind. And you've got the Yoshi discussion thread way off topic.

Way to take us seriously.

 

[The Star King]

^I hope the irony is intentional.

 

[Battlecow]

^ I hope THAT irony is intentional.

Let's stop before we become hipsters.

 

[SSBPete]

^I hope the irony is intentional.

Way to take me ironically.

 

[cheeseball341]

Damn americans. Ruining some perfectly good Australian in-jokes.

51rd POST

 

[blaze3927]

did YOU know

yoshi is actually a duck

true story

 

[ciaza]

xDDDDDDDD

That was the funniest moment.

Spoiler

ho ho inside jokes that nobody gets

 

[cheeseball341]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Who's the duck?

 

[Wizzrobe]

Yoshi is...... AWESOME.

 

[ciaza]

0:33 of this video.

Isai uses Yoshi's second jump but eventually fox's drill stops it.

My question is, what are the specifics on Yoshi's super armour? What stops it? Are multi-hit attacks more effective? I know the higher percentage Yoshi is on, the easier it is, but do we know specifically?

 

[asianaussie]

uh...maybe he tried to use an attack?

 

[ciaza]

Even if he did, question still stands. I want to know more about the properties.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

He used an attack. The reason people use multi hit moves on Yoshi is because he can't hit you out of them lol.

 

[Sangoku]

Can Yoshi DI an attack when he's hit in superarmor? I think he can't, but a confirmation would be cool.

 

[The Star King]

Only if it hits him out of it. If Yoshi doesn't flinch you can't DI.

 

[clubbadubba]

I've noticed in a lot of the peru matches, Isai will utilt on shield over and over again and his opponent won't be able to escape. I always have been able to escape this, particularly with falcon using grab or roll. Is utilt on shield actually inescapable?

 

[The Star King]

I'm pretty sure you can roll out. I don't think you can grab.