Yoshi Discussion

[ballin4life]

I can imagine a situation where utilt nair fsmash is the best possible combo. If you're at a percent where the nair hits them too far to utilt again, and you aren't near a ledge to spike. Although maybe you would want to do ftilt fair tech chase or something.

 

[The Star King]

I guess so. Pretty situational though, I just tried it on Falcon and he had to be at a mad specific percent where FSmash would connect and UTilt wouldn't.

Also, just realized nobody responded to this:

Has anybody tried to learn how to parry -> double jump insta-land thing -> any ground move? I feel stupid for not thinking of this idea earlier.

I think it could potentially be EXTREMELY good. The main ground moves used will probably be ftilt or utilt

Why you people dun respond? THIS IS THE FUTURE OF YOSHI, DAMMIT. It's not even that much harder than parry -> djc. I've probably only put in like 30 minutes of practice and I'm already pretty good at it.

 

[Peek~]

Why you people dun respond? THIS IS THE FUTURE OF YOSHI, DAMMIT. It's not even that much harder than parry -> djc. I've probably only put in like 30 minutes of practice and I'm already pretty good at it.

Why do you need to djc?

Cant you just go from the Parry to Groundmove?

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

It takes longer to unshield than djcing out of shield to the ground.

 

[SheerMadness]

How much, if any faster, would double jump insta landing be than just a normal grounded head bobbing parry?

I dunno frame stuff.

But this is kind of like wavedashing out of parrys in melee. Prolly a good bit easier though.

 

[The Star King]

Why do you need to djc?

Cant you just go from the Parry to Groundmove?

The unshield animation takes too long.

How much, if any faster, would double jump insta landing be than just a normal grounded head bobbing parry?

I dunno frame stuff.

But this is kind of like wavedashing out of parrys in melee. Prolly a good bit easier though.

I dunno exact frames but it's definitely a LOT faster.

 

[DMoogle]

Also, just realized nobody responded to this:



Why you people dun respond? THIS IS THE FUTURE OF YOSHI, DAMMIT. It's not even that much harder than parry -> djc. I've probably only put in like 30 minutes of practice and I'm already pretty good at it.

I would love to see this applied in some (match) videos.

 

[blaze3927]

but wouldnt utilt -fsmash send them lower, meaning more likely to get an edgehog in situations like the edge of dreamland?

 

[The Star King]

USmash sends them farther so edgehogging wouldn't be much easier for FSmash, and USmash has a higher chance of not giving them a chance of recovering them at all if they go far enough that they hit the death zone.

 

[Fynal]

honestly need an abriev. for "double jump insta landing"

DJL (double jump landing)?
DJIL
DJCL
etc

 

[ballin4life]

DJ Land is pretty clear imo

 

[Fynal]

DJL then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFy_PGCRymU

 

[The Star King]

Pretty sure the Melee Yoshi community (lol) uses the term "DJL". I actually got the idea from a post from some Yoshi Melee player mentioning parry DJL D-Smash as a KO move, and I was like, "Hey, parrying is even better in 64, DJL is just as fast, and Yoshi has better ground moves than in Melee, so why isn't this used? How did I not think of this earlier?"

 

[Fynal]

...huh

did not know that

i dunno anything about melee yoshi cept i hate his fair. it SUCKS. hate hat hat hate it.
(only time i play melee is with other meleescrubs at school sometimes)

 

[The Star King]

Yeah a lot of Yoshi's moves were ruined in Melee, and he can't jump out of shield except at the very start. Don't know why Sakurai felt the the need to nerf Yoshi and not characters like Fox LOL

 

[asianaussie]

im just surprised sakurai made kirby so much worse in melee

yoshi b-air in melee is such a downgrade its actually a little unfair

 

[blaze3927]

just realised sossi does a parry double jump landing in isai's vid.

 

[Fynal]

oh yea

yoshi's melee bair

took me around 4 games to realize i was actually bairing, not just doing nothing for no apparent reason

useless tail waggle

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Yoshi is still good in melee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTPfP_a6HBQ

Spoiler

A good yoshi video that isn't Sossi, what is this?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I have been practicing it since star king first mentioned is awhile back.

I can do it sometimes on CPUs. Looks pretty ballin with dsmash or ftilt

 

[Korrupshen]

Yoshi is still good in melee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTPfP_a6HBQ

Spoiler

A good yoshi video that isn't Sossi, what is this?

I assuming you don't know about Vman :/

 

[asianaussie]

i haven't clicked on koro's link but ten bucks it's vectorman or his combo video

he gets wins, sure, but there are lots of vids of him losing :\

which sucks, i love seeing low/mid-tier characters do well - aren't vman, axe and taj from the same state?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Freaking axe is hella fun to watch

Taj too, but a little less so.

 

[rpotts]

N64 is hella fun to watch/play. I've beaten his pika exactly one time. Even lost in a 4 stock v 1 stock crew battle finale.

 

[The Star King]

i haven't clicked on koro's link but ten bucks it's vectorman or his combo video

he gets wins, sure, but there are lots of vids of him losing :\

which sucks, i love seeing low/mid-tier characters do well - aren't vman, axe and taj from the same state?

He's really good if you consider the fact that he's only been using Yoshi for several months, and he's already got **** like parrying done.

Yeah AZ has a ton of good low tier players for some strange reason.

 

[Battlecow]

Is it possible to parry a tornado?

If so, peeps don't do it enough.

 

[The Star King]

Uh, immediately after the invincibility ends you're going to be in the tornado and get sucked up by it anyways >_> Unless it disappears during the invinicibity lol

 

[DMoogle]

Uh, immediately after the invincibility ends you're going to be in the tornado and get sucked up by it anyways >_> Unless it disappears during the invinicibity lol

Sounds like something that would be cool to test out for an insanely board TASer.

Parrying arwing shots would be much cooler though, and are probably possible. Someone should test that.

 

[StretchNutz]

There are actually two really good Yoshis in AZ, the other being Angel who apparently can beat Vman in yoshi dittos. And he ***** taj's mewtwo.

 

[The Star King]

There are actually two really good Yoshis in AZ, the other being Angel who apparently can beat Vman in yoshi dittos. And he ***** taj's mewtwo.

This isn't the Melee boards BRO

 

[Battlecow]

Uh, immediately after the invincibility ends you're going to be in the tornado and get sucked up by it anyways >_> Unless it disappears during the invinicibity lol

Yeah but if it was moving FAST would it still hit you for more than 2 frames or w/e?

I grab-parry tornados all the time.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

I don't think the tornado is fast enough to go through the parry's invisibility, it'd probably drag you anyway.

 

[StretchNutz]

He's really good if you consider the fact that he's only been using Yoshi for several months, and he's already got **** like parrying done.

Yeah AZ has a ton of good low tier players for some strange reason.

this ain't the melee boards SCRO

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Spoiler

What a troll...

I've seen ppl crouching before a parry, is it because it's faster that way?

 

[th3kuzinator]

No, its because if you miss the parry and get hit, you receive much less knockback because of the crouch cancel.

 

[dandan]

i thought it was because the shield encompasses yoshi completely that way, and that you can still dash attack out of it.

 

[ballin4life]

It's also slightly easier to do since Yoshi's hitbox is smaller.

edit: dandan doesn't Yoshi's shield always cover him? I thought it just makes the timing a little easier.

 

[dandan]

dunno, it was me trying to remember something sheer once told me

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

It's also slightly easier to do since Yoshi's hitbox is smaller.

edit: dandan doesn't Yoshi's shield always cover him? I thought it just makes the timing a little easier.

Yeah, I thought it was something related about this.

 

[ballin4life]

lol me too (although it was a few people on this forum including Sheer). Anyway I think the crouch cancel is a benefit too.