ZGD: Livin by a thread.

[Alacion]

Only Canadian Zelda here

 

[Mocha]

Sugar Land (right next to Houston)
I would like to attend tournaments, but I can't go to one until I get my drivers license, which won't be until like December or something.

Yeah Sugar Land isn't very far from Houston at all. You could always look into carpool or something, we have plenty of Smashers who would be happy to help, and my bf and I wouldn't mind arranging something with you and others too. In any case, that's still cool, hope we can play someday.

I see absolutely no reason why we can't have a little meet & greet thread. It doesn't even have to be a social thread, but an introduction thread instead.

I better start losing weight for a potential future picture :o

I know, right? I was taking a look and a lot of character boards have this. Trying to get a hold of Kat to ask him about this, but he went poof.

Oh dear... are we becoming AiB so soon?

Also our mod seems to have vanished~

I don't believe we'll ever be that bad. The Melee boards here have more activity than AiB's brawl character boards. trooolololololl

AiB is so bad.

This place is nice though, I enjoy the people here.
I cannot wait to meet Mocha again though, I completely forgot who she was at a HOBO I went to and never told her hi

Problem with AiB is that there are so many trolls. I mean, we have our fair share of trolling here too of course, but eh. I step on the Free Play chat for one moment, and there's a ton of censor dodging and inappropriate comments. <.< But at least AiB has activity going on. Their forums though need a lot of work. For example, there are no means of using spoiler tags in post, or ways to get notifications if someone posts in a thread that you like. Not to mention, the character boards are pretty dead.

And yeah Vintage, we'll probably meet each other again, especially because I can't wait to attend my next tournament again - and I'm hyped for WHOBO 4. You'll have to tell me who you are though... I tend to stand out more than the other way around, so it'll be easier for you to find me first. xD

Oh and Ed, if you're planning to go to WHOBO 4 and need some help with carpooling and whatnot, let me know, and we can arrange something. I can also talk to Xyro and Sync, who will be happy to help too. Will be awesome to have you here this August. And August is my birthday month too so weeee

O.o Is everyone here from Texas? Lol.

Me and GreyFox are the only Texas Zeldas as far as I know, though he's kinda retired. Most TX players that come here just come to lurk lol

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I am known as Tofer, I think the tourny I saw you at was the one at Double Dave's a few months back.

 

[Mocha]

I remember that tourney... idk if we played or talked. That must have been months ago xD

I do remember doing well for awhile till a crowd of people crept up behind me to watch me play and I lost a bit of focus lol. It's a bit intimidating for some reason - guess I'll have to get used to it.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I remember there being a lot of people around you, a lot of people.

 

[Mocha]

Yeah...

Now you can understand why I was a bit distracted to say the least xD

Well for most people, seeing a Zelda user at a tournament is like the odds of you finding a 100 dollar bill on the ground - almost unlikely, but once you do see it, that little piece of paper stands out.

 

[Mocha]

Posting this on both Smashboards/All is Brawl:

So I did a little research around other character boards to see what they did on their Player Finder thread and took note of what could look good/and not look good - not to mention, it gave me a couple of ideas too. Before creating the thread/or post it on the first page of Social (as SWF may want) I wanted to know what you guys thought, and if you want to give any suggestions, feel free to do so ^^

Okay, so here are the different categories it would be in:

Picture: Does not have to be a picture of yourself. A lot of people (including me) are not very comfy with having pictures of themselves openly like that. If you're one of those people, you can simply have a picture that you really like (e.g. A Zelda picture), as long as it's appropriate and inot too big so that it won't take up a lot of room on the thread/make it take awhile to load for slower browser. If you guys think having a mix of pictures of ourselves/pictures of something else isn't a good idea, let me know.

Username(s): The username(s) you're known by in the Smash community.

Tag(s): The tag(s) you're known by in the Smash community.

Region: City, State. I was also thinking about putting like some small maps with certain regions shaded. That way when I categorize them for example, Southwest region would have like all the Southwest region states shaded in. This will make more sense when I actually put up a draft of this xD

Offline/Online/Both: Some people are strictly offline, and some only play wifi - while others play both. I didn't find this option necessary to have but it's still an option.

Favorite Zelda color?: Another optional, but not necessary thing to have. It's kind of fun for some people to see how many people use a particular color for their main.

Other played characters: Simply list other characters you like to use.

Contact: No this doesn't mean you have to put emails or your home address lol. This would be like for other websites you use that is Brawl-related, such as this site, All is Brawl, Brawl Friend Code, Youtube, etc. I'm actually highly encouraging users to post their youtube accounts if they have Brawl videos to show.

Biography: Where you can post a summary about yourself. Doesn't have to be incredibly detailed, up to you as to what you want to put on it.

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*This is all still under construction. Also, I'm still working on the layout of what it's going to be like.

 

[Jon Farron]

I think the Zelda boards should've had one of those YEARS AGO.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I like that format mocha, go with it! I'm gonna dig for a new picture although I enjoy my football pic lol.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Lately I've been thinking about using Zelda more for certain MUs. Probaby not gonna start as her for most of them, but If I'm going to transform, I should probably understand what kind of MU I'm getting into. Run up> shield> jc Upsmash OoS only works for so long. =[

These would probably be the MUs I'd be doing the most. Lucario, D3, Pikachu, Peach, Kirby, ICs, Snake, Olimar, MK and Marth.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Alacion]

Considering you're (I'm assuming) way better at Sheik than Zelda, I'd use Zelda for Pikachu. Captain L adamantly believes Zelda is only at a -1 disadvantage...

Ice Climbers can just approach Zelda with a I dunno 50/50 chance of landing a grab just by spotdodging before grabbing you or making an easy read relating to that.

I guess Zelda might be able to work against Dedede, Lucario, and Kirby. The rest is just suicide.

Zelda's down tilt and down smash are better than her up smash

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I have a bit of Kirby experience and Zelda kinda gets destroyed by baiting with multiple jumps. Zelda can't challenge him in the air, so she's forced to use her anti air attacks like Up smash and ftilt and utilt, but Kirby's bair and mutiple jumps allows him to bait Zelda into doing anything and then he punishes it.

Imo.

Zelda can be used in all those matchups except probably MK/Olimar and IC's if you're using Sheik for the most part.

Mocha, that format looks fabulous. Post up a thread nao! :D

 

[Mocha]

Lately I've been thinking about using Zelda more for certain MUs. Probaby not gonna start as her for most of them, but If I'm going to transform, I should probably understand what kind of MU I'm getting into. Run up> shield> jc Upsmash OoS only works for so long. =[

These would probably be the MUs I'd be doing the most. Lucario, D3, Pikachu, Peach, Kirby, ICs, Snake, Olimar, MK and Marth.

Any help would be appreciated.

Cool, I can see why you would want to use her for certain matchups. As Courier pointed out though, some of those are almost suicide. Matchups she might do fine in are: Lucario, D3, Pikachu, and Snake. Notice that when I say 'fine' I'm not saying she has an advantage in any way, but she might have an easier time than Sheik in certain situations, especially regarding chaingrabs/getting the kill earlier than Sheik. Matchups which will drive you crazy with Zelda are: Peach, Kirby (debatable), ICs, Olimar, MK, and Marth (also debatable).

If anything, switch to Zelda for the kills if you must. Ed could probably give you some better advice though, he's definitely a Zelda/Sheik main through and through.

And alright guys, thanks for the input. I'll get working on the thread soon ^^

 

[Alacion]

Oh yeah and what about that interview thread! I answered a couple of questions and suddenly it disappeared into the abyss o.o

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Yea honestly I'm shocked I don't get asked more often for Zelda/Sheik help by the other Sheiks.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Most of us don't even use zelda.

It's surprisingly more fun to land a fresh downsmash at 160 and be surprised when they survive.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I miss Hedge

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Most of us don't even use zelda.

It's surprisingly more fun to land a fresh downsmash at 160 and be surprised when they survive.

NO...

10whytheysurvives?

 

[Mocha]

Is Colorado considered Midwest or Southwest for tournament regions? I have seen sources implying that Colorado is in both regions, so I'm not sure which one is correct <.< I would assume Midwest though...

 

[Fuujin]

using Zelda more for certain MUs.

These would probably be the MUs I'd be doing the most. Lucario, ICs, Snake, Olimar, MK, Marth.

Gurl...

 

[Rizen]

Is Colorado considered Midwest or Southwest for tournament regions? I have seen sources implying that Colorado is in both regions, so I'm not sure which one is correct <.< I would assume Midwest though...

I'm not sure. We're the missing link to mid and south.

CO's burning lately. I'm not in a danger area thankfully.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

I think you guys are misunderstanding.

Theres no way in hell ill actually be going all zelda. I just want to land that one hit. But in order to do that I figure it would be better to know the MUs as if I was going all Zelda.

None of those MUs are so bad that zelda can't hit the other person... right?


Also I'm probably going to be going all zelda in doubles. Does anyone have experience teaming with Diddy? I did it a bit with zinoto(#1 in MI) at a smashfest today and it felt like the synergy was really good.

 

[ぱみゅ]

None of those MUs are so bad that zelda can't hit the other person... right?

You'll be surprised....
IMO The hardest ones would be Olimar and ICs.
The others are debatable.

 

[Alacion]

Yeah Olimar/Zelda and ICs/Zelda are so bad you might not even be able to approach.

Hate to do this but I feel like I should: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Om_lR_4JiI&t=3m21s

Any move from Zelda would have killed her...

 

[Jon Farron]

Oh God... Olimar=smash/grab spam

ICS=Grab/meteor smash spam

Approach either one and...

Don't even think about it ._.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Hate to do this but I feel like I should: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Om_lR_4JiI&t=3m21s

Any move from Zelda would have killed her...

I don't play this character and even i'm salty from that.
Jeeze.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Nah, Ed just got read hard.
But hell, getting killed at 60%...

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Oh man, that was depressing. I had to give it to Dtorr though. He came back and took it.

 

[Fuujin]

I think you guys are misunderstanding.

Theres no way in hell ill actually be going all zelda. I just want to land that one hit. But in order to do that I figure it would be better to know the MUs as if I was going all Zelda.

None of those MUs are so bad that zelda can't hit the other person... right?


Also I'm probably going to be going all zelda in doubles. Does anyone have experience teaming with Diddy? I did it a bit with zinoto(#1 in MI) at a smashfest today and it felt like the synergy was really good.

So I played Nietono in bracket at Apex.


I got him to about 40% in damage out of all of his stocks.

Now none of the American Olimars are near his level, but that should sort of give you an idea as to how that match up goes.

Oh and didnt make it out of bracket at a big tourny about a year and a half ago against a lucario because I was trying to use both Zelda and Sheik instead of just Sheik.

 

[Fuujin]

Yeah Olimar/Zelda and ICs/Zelda are so bad you might not even be able to approach.

Hate to do this but I feel like I should: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Om_lR_4JiI&t=3m21s

Any move from Zelda would have killed her...

The classic running up smash only goes so far.

Why didn't ed just try to GR dacus her?

 

[Mocha]

I think you guys are misunderstanding.

Theres no way in hell ill actually be going all zelda. I just want to land that one hit. But in order to do that I figure it would be better to know the MUs as if I was going all Zelda.

None of those MUs are so bad that zelda can't hit the other person... right?


Also I'm probably going to be going all zelda in doubles. Does anyone have experience teaming with Diddy? I did it a bit with zinoto(#1 in MI) at a smashfest today and it felt like the synergy was really good.

If you just want Zelda to land one hit, then you can do that practically vs anyone, really. You just have to avoid being obvious with what you're going to try to hit/kill with. For instance, 85% of the times I see a Sheik transform into Zelda for the kill, they immediately go for Upsmash like it's Zelda's only kill move. xD

 

[KuroganeHammer]

cuz Zelda's up smash literally is her only kill move. ~

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I didn't think she had any other moves.

 

[AlanHaTe]

it's like the "less hard one" to land (?)

 

[Mocha]

Her upsmash is so easy to see coming though. I mean, unless you're trying to read a landing or your opponent's shield is very low, it's an incredibly predictable approach. This is one of the reasons why I choked when fighting ALSM's Diddy. If I had been a bit more patient and hadn't fished for the kills, I might have done a lot better. Whenever I tried to upsmash him, he would punish it every time, because he knew I would try to upsmash for the kill.

On an additional note, upsmash is great for punishing spot dodge happy people because of the lingering hitboxes duration.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Upsmash pokes diddy kong's shield. Mach tornado doesn't even do that. Upsmash is her best kill move.

It's her best move.


@Fuujin against lucario, I'd have to time him out if want to win with solo sheik.

@Mocha, not being obvious about kill moves is a good point, but if I don't understand the MU well enough to know how/what's safe to approach with/ how to land properly in the specific MU, etc then I'm better off staying Sheik and trying to kill with ridiculously stale moves.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

There's not much to say about Zelda as a character. Her best punishers are up smash, down smash and grab. Up smash is her only kill move, bar back throw on people expecting dthrow (kills at like 100% on medium chars due to horrible DI), down smash simply doesn't have enough power; even fresh, I struggle to KO my opponents with it.

f/b air are too silly, up air is too slow, up tilt is decent and a good roll dodge punisher but is horribly unsafe, ftilt is a good anti air but won't kill before any of Sheik's moves (might be worth transforming back if you land it) and forward smash can be DI'd out of.

While her moveset is inherently flawed, landing up smash isn't toooooo difficult if you just be patient.

 

[Fuujin]

Upsmash pokes diddy kong's shield. Mach tornado doesn't even do that. Upsmash is her best kill move.

It's her best move.

You do realize Diddy is one of the characters that can escape u smash, right?

It's pretty unlikely because I don't think any of the Diddy mains are aware of this but if were talking in theory or high level play, u smash is pretty unreliable as a killmove against Diddy.

There's not much to say about Zelda as a character. Her best punishers are up smash, down smash and grab.

While her moveset is inherently flawed, landing up smash isn't toooooo difficult if you just be patient.

Id have to disagree about grab lol....

The problem with Zelda mains and up smash is that by the time they need it to kill they've already staled the move down so much that it doesn't kill nearly as early as it should, that and if the player is smart theyre going to figure out how punishable it is due to it being overused.

The problem with Sheik mains is that that's all they ever try to do.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

Can you actually escape it if only like the last 2-3 hits are what touch you?

 

[Fuujin]

I dunno, maybe Aero knows.
But for just the last few hits to be the only ones the opponent is caught in theyd have to run into the move right before it ended.
Unless you're talking shield poking.

Zelda

what's safe to approach with