Dr. Mario

[Diddy Kong]

Pit: Very popular retro character at that point. Team was very excited to work on making his character.
Captain Falcon: Sole rep of F-Zero, and a N64 Smash classic.

Dr.Mario: Full clone of Mario and removed from Brawl.

NINJA'D BADLY!

 

[Deleted member]

Irrelevant argumentation.
None of what you said gives any reason why it is ok for Pit and Falcon to not be accurate to source material (prior to Brawl in Pit's case), yet Dr. Mario MUST either be the same exact thing as Mario or MUST take completely from source material.

It's a ******** double standard. "Because they have more place in Smash" does not constitute a good answer. It avoids the argument entirely and is pretty much saying you have no point to give other than bias.

 

[Diddy Kong]

 

[Deleted member]

Says the guy too doped up on pot to give any sort of decent argument.
Maybe you should blaze less and think more.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Maybe you should rage less when people disagree and don't want to argue with you about the same bull**** again and again and actually read what most people consider as major beefs against Dr.Mario?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This place is a war zone! A WAR ZONE!!!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Keep the Doctor away, I'd like to have my casualities unattended to.

 

[Deleted member]

If people gave actual good argumentation that wasn't irrelevant to the discussion at hand and not full of idiotic bias, maybe I would actually give a crap to what the blazers like you think.

Let's see, major beefs:
-"He's Mario, we don't need another Mario when there are other characters available to be the 5th Mario character."
Solution: Make Dr. Mario represent the Dr. Mario series since it is apparently another canon entirely.

-"He's a clone."
Solution: Make him semi-cloned. Not that hard to do unless you don't have brains.

-"Two Marios should not be on the CSS."
Solution: Make him an alternate selection to Mario like how Dragon Ball Z Budokai treats Teen Gohan and Great Saiyaman.

-"He has no place because *insert meaningless explanation*."
Counterargument: Neither does *insert character* because *insert meaningless explanation*.

-"But *insert character* has their place because *insert meaningless explanation*."
Counterargument: Dr. Mario has his place because *insert meaningless explanation*.

-"He won't be different. I know this as fact."
Solution: Get off the blaze or show me your time machine that proves this as absolute fact.

-"He can't be different."
Counterargument: He has elements from Dr. Mario yet to be used, he's a doctor, which means a doctor-based fighting style is an option, and he's a puzzle character of the "Nintendo Puzzle Collection", so he can reference other puzzle games such as Panel de Pon, Yoshi's Cookie, and even newer generation games like Brain Age or Big Brain Academy if need be.

-"That wouldn't be true to the source material."
Counterargument: Many of Smash's characters already go against source material.

-"BUT THAT'S FINE BECAUSE *insert meaningless explanation*."
Counterargument: Double standards. Doesn't help your argument in any way, shape, or form.

-"I don't like Dr. Mario, and I don't want him to return."
Counterargument: Ok. That is your opinion. I respect that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Implying my smoking weed has anything to do with anything? Ever heard of 'herbal medicine'?

First see, then believe. Give me a BELIEVABLE Dr.Mario moveset, with actual moves from his games that really make him standout and perhaps I might consider it.

 

[Deleted member]

There you go again; you keep acting as though EVERYTHING has to be from his home game.
Here's a better idea; why don't you see if you can give a BELIEVEABLE Captain Falcon moveset with ACTUAL MOVES from his games that makes him standout and perhaps I will consider your asinine request.

EDIT: And no, you can't use the gun from the comic that came with the game. That wasn't used in his games, now was it?

 

[Diddy Kong]

A moves: Drive at things, see: Final Smash
B moves: Drive at things faster, see: Final Smash
Final Smash: Drive at things. See A and B moves.

 

[Bowserlick]

I can see perhaps DLC or an inclusion in the 3DS as a way to sneak Dr. Mario in. But I still believe his chances are doubtful. Then again, I never would have predicted him for Melee either.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Still, Dr. Mario returning does not feel right. I mean, the character is basically filler (very lazy filler) designed to pad out the roster, which is probably why the character was overlooked in Brawl in favor of other characters. To see the character pop up again just for the hell of it seems kind of cheap.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

If we're talking about changing up Dr. Mario's moveset then we should just remove him. Dr.Mario is a puzzle game if i'm not mistaken. A puzzle game that doesn't involve fighting. If anything Dr. Mario should get a stage in smash.

Its kind of like adding the animal crossing citizen. They haven't because he doesn't seem like the fighting type and there's a lack of moves to support him. Dr. Mario should not be a character, but that doesn't mean he can't be represented in smash.

 

[Bowserlick]

Isn't Lip a better contender for a puzzle fighter as well as representing a distinct world?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why not make the Doctor Suit a item? Equip it, and your neutral B becomes throwing a pill, plus your forward Aerial attack gets a little stronger. Also, your Forward Smash now has electrical effects, and is easier to hit with. Wouldn't that be awesome?

Then we'd also have Dr.Link, Dr.Kirby, Dr.Ness, Dr.MetaKnight and just about everyone with a Doctor counterpart!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Lip is a better representation of puzzle genre.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Dr. Pit would be the worst doctor ever. I mean he's kind of reckless with his weapons and the guy cannot even read. Imagine giving him a scalpel and preforming heart surgery.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Cannot be worse than old skool dentists....

 

[Deleted member]

@Diddy: Not very believeable. Request denied. (Though I do plan on revising my older moveset when I'm not busy with college work)

@Bowserlick: DLC would be fine by me.
And no, Lip is not a better "contender", because she was not in Melee, not planned for Brawl, has been phased out of her series, even in Japan, save for the occasional unlockable board, and has her main weapon as an established item.

@Gingerbread Man: F-Zero is a racing game. A racing game that doesn't involve fighting. C. Falcon should be removed.

On a serious note, "lack of moves" didn't stop half of Smash's roster (again, C. Falcon), and was certainly not what stopped the Animal Crosser, as Sakurai mentioned he could have made one work using a bug net, shovel, and bug spray to attack with. The only issue is that Animal Crossing in itself strayed from Smash's violent image (though given that Sakurai likes to revist older ideas that didn't quite work before, he could revisit the Crosser idea again). Dr. Mario really doesn't stray that far if you see the Story Mode for Dr. Mario 64, where we have people beating each other up (somehow) by popping pills.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It still beats Dr.Mario's moveset.

B: Throw pills
Everything else: See Mario's moveset.

 

[Frostwraith]

Why *insert character here* is/isn't in SSB? Don't ask me. Ask Sakurai.

Dr. Mario Special moveset:
B: Megavitamin - Same as Melee.
Side B: Syringe Throw - Throws a syringe in a horizontal trajectory. Once hit, the foe may become dizzy.
Down B: Virus - Throws a red/yellow/blue flask. Once hit, a small sized virus (of the same color as the flask) will hover around the foe, giving continuous damage (1-2% per half second) for around 3 or 4 seconds. This effect passes like a Gooey Bomb.
Up B: Scalpel Uppercut - Self explanatory, I guess.

Final Smash: Viral Epidemic - Down B, on steroids. All foes within the range of Dr. Mario will be infected and the condition will rack much more damage (4-5% per half second) and last for more time (say... 15-20 seconds?). Also passes like a Gooey Bomb.

There's nothing better than using the brain and be creative... and watching the others argue about trivial things.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Lip can appear, Sakurai wasn't sure about Lip appearing to other audiences in the first 64.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Lip can appear, Sakurai wasn't sure about Lip appearing to other audiences in the first 64.

Source? I'm pretty sure, Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo were the one he considered for 64.

 

[BluePikmin11]

http://smashboards.com/threads/puzz...ranslation-on-sakurais-thoughts-added.324269/ this pretty much says so..

 

[Deleted member]

That doesn't say what you think it says.
It's not saying Lip was considered for Smash 64. The source, when translated, was someone saying to Sakurai that Lip should in the next Smash (which would eventually be Melee).
Sakurai's response was that he was unsure of how many people in the world would know who she is and that Panel de Pon was a masterpiece that people who haven't played it already should try it.

But since then, we've got her main weapon as an item twice, and she (and the rest of the fairies) have been phased out of her home series for the most part. And funny still, is that the last game with the fairies, Lip wasn't even the star; her identical daughter, Furil was.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd be more anxious about how people would react to the same old same old Mario clone filler as we had in Melee if he adds Dr.Mario to the roster again.

 

[Frostwraith]

I'd be more anxious about how people would react to the same old same old Mario clone filler as we had in Melee if he adds Dr.Mario to the roster again.

I'm sure you'd weep.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nah. Just hope then the actual Mario becomes a better character and people will ***** non stop about Dr.Mario being such a bad addition to the series, and how they'd rather have Pichu back.

 

[Frostwraith]

Nah. Just hope then the actual Mario becomes a better character and people will ***** non stop about Dr.Mario being such a bad addition to the series, and how they'd rather have Pichu back.

Japanese Smashers say hi.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm sure you'd weep.

I'd just scratch my head while Diddy bashes his head against a brick wall while weeping.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm more anxious to see how Diddy will react when Impa is nothing more than a trophy.
Since I know for fact that's all she'll ever be.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Diddy. How would you react if was taken out?

 

[Diddy Kong]

The Japanese Melee players probably prefer Doc over regular Mario as well. Yet they don't want him back. Only some CERTAIN people from the United Slavedravers want him back in it seems.

If Diddy was taken out, I wouldn't touch a single new released Nintendo game ever again untill he's back in Smash. And minimally as high on the tier lists as he is in Brawl.

 

[Frostwraith]

Dr. Mario IS a needed character in Smash. Who else's gonna help on the field if someone calls 112 (911 for ye Americans)?

 

[Diddy Kong]

As far as I'm considered, all the Chanseys I kicked the **** out of in N64 and Melee could do all that.

Behind the scenes.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Dr. Mario IS a needed character in Smash. Who else's gonna help on the field if someone calls 112 (911 for ye Americans)?

Meta Knight.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Dr. Mario IS a needed character in Smash. Who else's gonna help on the field if someone calls 112 (911 for ye Americans)?

Link. Faries for everyone!

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's 112 in Portugal as well? Well, that's good to know. But tbh, the only experience I had with Portugese police was me and a friend running away from a cop car cause we where smoking something illegal. Bet ya'll are glad I can run so fast now, otherwise I wouldn't be here!

 

[Frostwraith]

It's 112 in Portugal as well? Well, that's good to know. But tbh, the only experience I had with Portugese police was me and a friend running away from a cop car cause we where smoking something illegal. Bet ya'll are glad I can run so fast now, otherwise I wouldn't be here!

112 is for all EU, actually. By the way, where are you from? UK?