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t!MmY

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Did i make any sense?
Yes, but you used a lot of words to say "Should we base it on who we think is better overall, or just base it on tourney results?"

IMO basing a PR list strictly on tournament results is terrible because it is largely influenced by who you face in the brackets. Not only that, but some people cannot attend many tournaments, such as Kevvviiinnn and MCS, just to name a couple. And then there are those who can attend local tournaments, but cannot travel to play even in large ones (Shin).

I could care less about sandbagging affecting matches - that is part of someone's overall skill and abilities. And sandbagging in friendlies doesn't matter, but saying "I wasn't trying" is just a john.
 

joshisrad

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September 4th.

mrminhx (9:04:50 PM): dude wtf do they want me to be a panelist for
mrminhx (9:04:54 PM): i dont even know what im suppose to do
SuperFreakingRad (9:05:13 PM): dunno dude the whole idea is silly lol
mrminhx (9:05:18 PM): yeah
mrminhx (9:05:22 PM): oregon is not good enough
SuperFreakingRad (9:05:27 PM): they want you cause you're better than most of oregon and active
mrminhx (9:05:41 PM): we dont want someone out of state look at our PR and challenge our best and we're terrible
mrminhx (9:05:45 PM): except mcs
mrminhx (9:05:50 PM): mcs should be our PR
SuperFreakingRad (9:05:57 PM): LOL
SuperFreakingRad (9:05:58 PM): yeah
SuperFreakingRad (9:06:06 PM): that's another thing too
SuperFreakingRad (9:06:14 PM): everyone is arguing PR for improvement
SuperFreakingRad (9:06:32 PM): but when out of state sees PR they're like ooh
mrminhx (9:06:33 PM): i think the only improvement is to play more
SuperFreakingRad (9:06:38 PM): exactly!
mrminhx (9:06:42 PM): i dont want to embarass OR anymore
mrminhx (9:06:45 PM): we're pretty terrible
mrminhx (9:07:06 PM): i mean i went to OC3 with james and bart and timmy cuz thats like our best crew minus mcs
SuperFreakingRad (9:07:06 PM): yeah we gotta play WA more or something
SuperFreakingRad (9:07:07 PM): lol
mrminhx (9:07:09 PM): and like.. everyone can **** us
SuperFreakingRad (9:07:14 PM): yep
SuperFreakingRad (9:07:56 PM): if it comes down to it, you can say this stuff if you want
SuperFreakingRad (9:08:08 PM): if you don't want it to happen
mrminhx (9:08:46 PM): well some people just want a PR for the sake of having one
mrminhx (9:08:52 PM): so like.. no point in arguing
mrminhx (9:09:01 PM): or you can save me some trouble and just post our conversation up haha
SuperFreakingRad (9:10:12 PM): dude I'm not gonna touch it
SuperFreakingRad (9:10:35 PM): bart and the few other people would be like OMFG U STARTING FLAME WAR
mrminhx (9:10:50 PM): lol
mrminhx (9:10:53 PM): yeah they like to flame you ion why
SuperFreakingRad (9:11:00 PM): lol yeah
SuperFreakingRad (9:11:06 PM): but whatever
mrminhx (9:11:34 PM): im just gonna post and ask them to list the reasons why we should have a PR
mrminhx (9:11:38 PM): and i'll counter them
mrminhx (9:11:47 PM): at this point i really dont want a PR
mrminhx (9:11:52 PM): i kinda know who im better and worse than
mrminhx (9:11:55 PM): so doesnt bother me
SuperFreakingRad (9:12:10 PM): yeah same
mrminhx (9:12:17 PM): in actuallity, having one would kinda of bother me since i know im better than [deleted for the sake of privacy.. if minh says it's cool then I'll put it back] yet he probably ranks higher
SuperFreakingRad (9:12:50 PM): oh I thought you said he got better than you recently?
mrminhx (9:13:05 PM): nah he just beat me in a tourney
mrminhx (9:13:26 PM): doesnt make him better i choke alot under pressure too but no johns.. but in general, i have more experience and i play smarter than he does
mrminhx (9:13:39 PM): its real close but when it comes down to it, im sure others would agree i'm better
mrminhx (9:14:00 PM): not saying thats anything special, im really bad compared to everyone in other states
mrminhx (9:14:04 PM): oregon just sucks
 

joshisrad

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No, we suck. We might have potential, sure, and I think quite a few of us do. But for now, we suck.
 

Riot6777

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Yeah that's a winner attitude! V,V *sigh* I don't think I suck or a few smashers who have the winning attitude I have played other states and won a few of the best guys being confident and knowing I could do so.

Ole you would have to agree with me.

Same with a few others lol

Josh you should play me

And Cmin has played me you guys need to understand you wont win thinking Oregon sucks all the time.

just a thought.

^.^
 

joshisrad

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"I have played other states and won a few of the best guys being confident and knowing I could do so."

lol, like at Skypal? :roll:

It's not I who should play you.. YOU should play ME :D
as long as you're not mean to me. Deal?
 

VenusGospel

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Yeah you're right David

It's those people who sandbag countless matches, they'll never get any better that way and doing so will never put you in a winning attitude, that's just a cocky attitude. People ask me how I've been getting better so fast, my only answer is playing to your fullest. People have told me about the mental taxations of not sandbagging and going at your fullest 100% of your time, but that's just bull I have to say... Oh well, this is all imo.
 

joshisrad

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Sandbagging and not having a winning attitude != knowing and accepting that we are terrible compared to the other states.
 

Riot6777

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"I have played other states and won a few of the best guys being confident and knowing I could do so."

lol, like at Skypal? :roll:

It's not I who should play you.. YOU should play ME :D
as long as you're not mean to me. Deal?
Define mean to you?

I have played my fair share of skypal and I can tell you I do very well agenst them but they are old news they have stoped playing Silent Wolf and EGGZ are the best of Washington in my eyes now.

I have played many Oregon players and many Washington players I have also played Colorado and California.

I only lost to sin ma by count out. lol and that was close same thing with the money matches I had with "The King" I did very well in the TANG 12 tournament that Isa was at the person who beat me off of my 5 mins. of sleep was GENO

I think that was the first time I ever played bart but I am not sure.

There is alot of history with me and smash I have been around for awhile people just never really talk about me because I almost never go to tournaments anymore.

I can go on about my smash history lol I will shut up now. For now......

I know Ole I understand you and I have been getting better by going are fullest on each other to everyone who has played me knows how good I am to everyone who plays me now should worry.

I might be over later tonight Ole I am at work right now but tomorrow I have the day off so I plan on being stupid tonight.
 

Binx

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Yes, but you used a lot of words to say "Should we base it on who we think is better overall, or just base it on tourney results?"

IMO basing a PR list strictly on tournament results is terrible because it is largely influenced by who you face in the brackets. Not only that, but some people cannot attend many tournaments, such as Kevvviiinnn and MCS, just to name a couple. And then there are those who can attend local tournaments, but cannot travel to play even in large ones (Shin).

I could care less about sandbagging affecting matches - that is part of someone's overall skill and abilities. And sandbagging in friendlies doesn't matter, but saying "I wasn't trying" is just a john.
Who you face in the brackets would directly influence the PR, that is why you have panelists, so you can all look and say hey this is our top 10 or whatever, you dont need to rank everyone in the state. If you are outside of the top -- then you aren't mentioned.

Sandbagging and not having a winning attitude != knowing and accepting that we are terrible compared to the other states.
To be fair, I think every state is worse than Cali and NY area, Oregon probably isn't that bad when compared to the 50 other states. We are terrible compared to the really really active areas but that is because we have never regular decent tournaments with people who actually try to learn to play. We need like 6 people who are all amazing and play like almost every day at their best with something on the line so we can improve our meta.
 

Riot6777

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Good point Justin.

But to have strong players means to have a strong attitude and to always go you hardest wherever and whenever people who don't sand bag who have the will to go on and on.

I understand where your coming from but I also know that to be a winner you have to think like one and not worry about failing just as long as you keep pushing forward know matter how hard it might be.

You want Oregon good players that's what you need.

I am good but I don't go to alot of tournaments same thing with Ole.

We have the attitude the will power and the skill to move on but we chose not to. Cmin and Justing both have this they just need to sand bag less and play more stick to the tournament and make sure you guys have a winning attitude.

I have said what I thought I am done now.

PS: Stop saying no Johns<----- that's not coo....
 

joshisrad

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You do very well against skypal? I might need to get one of them in here to tell the tale I've heard of when you were at their place and played all of them again and again until you finally beat them all once(after quite a bit of them sandbagging, so it's said).
Also, when you go on and on about having this incredible, unmatchable will power to succeed and to your best and move on, and "pushing forward [no] matter how hard it might be," but you choose not to, is completely counter-productive and not strong will power at all. That's not a winning attitude. That's a lazy, "I don't care" attitude. That just sounds like an excuse for you not being better.

By the way, you forgot Ka-master as being best in Washington.
 

capncone

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Hey Ole I heard what you said in the thread about what tuddios said, that's awesome I know it to be true you have fought me almost more than any other smasher has lol

There is a lame gamecrazy tournament comeing up on the 8th lol at 8001 Se 82nd powell at 1pm

lol

I am going there because my friend is running it.

If anyone wants to go they should as for a prize I am sorry but it probley is going to be nothing ot suck lol

I am typing this all from work so I will check back later.
Edit: If possible, I am going. Even if it's not a big tourney, at least it'll be one.
 

jankerrific

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out of the elite 4 of washington id have to say ka-master, silent wolf, dj combo, eggz. in that order. but they all play each other so often you cant rank them. why am i talking about washington again?

i have very little experience with smash, but from what i have noticed we are bad compared to cali and wash. our neighboring states... lol not to mention east coast.

it seems like we are too spread out, we have good players, with good potential that are all over the place, not capable of playing all the time. age seems to be another factor, oregon's smashers are people that are out of high school and dont have rediculous free time and parents to keep bread on the table. i love smash, but i work ALL THE TIME, if only i could play this game like i did diablo 2 in highschool... i for sure think we have potential, we just have to get things rolling guys.
 

Riot6777

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out of the elite 4 of washington id have to say ka-master, silent wolf, dj combo, eggz. in that order. but they all play each other so often you cant rank them. why am i talking about washington again?

i have very little experience with smash, but from what i have noticed we are bad compared to cali and wash. our neighboring states... lol not to mention east coast.

it seems like we are too spread out, we have good players, with good potential that are all over the place, not capable of playing all the time. age seems to be another factor, oregon's smashers are people that are out of high school and dont have rediculous free time and parents to keep bread on the table. i love smash, but i work ALL THE TIME, if only i could play this game like i did diablo 2 in highschool... i for sure think we have potential, we just have to get things rolling guys.
Yeah cool I understand I work all the time as well 40 hours a week at the Westin hotel front desk dealing with stupid people all day.

I see your point but I am sure most don't care.

Also Ole isn't Sand bagging for stupid noobs? :psycho:

Josh can I ask you a question and be honest.
-Why do you play smash?
 

t!MmY

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I'm stunned to think that I came into this thread and found contructive, thoughtful, and worthwhile contents oozing from every post. When I first started reading Josh's post, I was thinking "Uh oh, someone is going to start a flame war" but, instead, introspective discussion followed. Wow.

From what I've read, it seems that most of us have come the the realization, or at least brought to attention, a few major points:
  1. Oregon sucks
  2. There's too much sandbagging
  3. We have potential
For those of you who are already knowledgable of the steps to improvement, you'll note that the first step is to realize that you aren't the best, thus "Oregon Sucks". It seems we've pinpointed the obstacles, such as the good players being scattered, lack of time to practice, and the ugly sandbagging mentality. Third, and most importantly, we realize we can overcome said obstacles and show that Oregon does indeed have potential.

Interesting to note that Oregon has already started working on overcoming some of these points. The first that comes to mind is that interest in tournaments is becoming more widespread - we're seeing tournies in Gresham, Salem and Corvallis whereas in the past if you wanted to go to a tournament there was only TANG and SF:E. This gives players in those areas a better chance to attend, play, and improve.

Also, the "newer" players seem to have a more determined mindset, which lets them improve more quickly and pushes the competition to also improve. Everyone loves playing against MCS, not just because he is good, but because you know that he's not going to hold back on you. Trust me when I say your level of determination is contagious - if you play without energy, you will have a lackluster opponent; but if you fight with determination, your opponent will rise to meet the challenge.

Although Oregon is clearly behind in the competitive scene on the West Coast, you have to realize that California has some of the best players in the world and not everyone in CA is Ken & Isai. Washington is the same way, Ka-Master and Silent Wolf did amazing at FCD/0C3 considering the level of competition at those tournies, but not everyone in WA is a Ka or Wolf. Certainly Oregon can follow suit and produce some high-calibur players that rep the state. People who are interested in attaining that level of skill just need to address what's holding them back and then work at it.

I think that since we're comparing ourselves to the best of West Coast that it's obvious we're setting our goals to at least that standard. We don't have the luxury of having a huge population like SoCal, nor having top players at close proximity like WA, so what we need is to keep Oregon connected. We need to think of Oregon as a crew and all the smashers as members. We need to make honest attempts to go to tournies and play with determination and resolve. We need to appreciate our opponents and remember that the game is only as good as the players.
 

joshisrad

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I think it's because I already predicted that someone would call out a flamewar in the AIM convo, so of course nobody wanted to touch it lest they should be predictable! :> :> :>
No, we were saying that on the whole, WA and CA and etc's metagame is pretty far beyond ours at this point. Not just because of their best players, either. Some scrub from CA could probably work most of OR. That's why I jump at the chance to play out of staters(even if they happen to continuously john out while they're in OR like that CA kid :<)
In any case I think we all know that in order to get better we need to give it our all. So.. what was the sudden motivation in posting that?
 

Balloon

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Why would you even include the first part of that post, Josh? Who the **** cares what the reason was. The fact is that it didn't happen. In fact, stating that in the first place it becomes pretty clear to me that you WANT flaming to start.

Anyway, another issue with Oregon is that people don't know HOW to get better when they are actually playing. You don't just get better by playing over and over and over and over. You have to experiment and try **** that normally doesn't make sense, even to you. Once you start seeing what things DO work that normally wouldn't work, and when they work, then you can start to improve. Pay attention to tech rolls, pay attention to habitual double jumps and ****. It's hard to get better and it DOES take a conscious effort while playing.
 

t!MmY

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Even if another state has more advanced scrubs than Oregon does, that scrub can only hope to beat noobs and other scrubs.

You weren't there to see it Josh, but Oregon was not destroyed at 0C3. I heard compliments about the other Oregon players from people who didn't know which state they were from. And unless I'm mistaken, that was Bart and Minh's first out of state tourney which shows that while Oregon may not have a major smash scene, we're not as terrible as it might seem.
 

Wikipedia

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We are merely regarded as terrible because of our presence in the shadows of California and even Washington. But if you look just beyond our borders to Idaho, you see an even worse smash scene, and they are just our neighbors. You hardly hear about a notable person from, for a lack of a better definition of division, the Mountain time zone and Central time zone states, excluding Texas. Now that's a pretty big part of the United States.

I'd say we have a pretty average, if not above-average, smash scene and players. I, for one, would love to see myself, and Oregon as a whole, getting better. I think a Power Ranking list would be a great tool to see my improvement and the improvement of others. I think once we get it up that those who are neutral or against the idea will see themselves getting more involved and wanting to see themeselves moving up. I don't see what you could have against idea, I can see why people don't care but otherwise those who are in favor should do their best to try to put up an accurate PR list.
 

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It was funny actually at 0C3. Mike Monkey was afraid to face me in pools even though I suck major *** compared to him because James and I eliminated him and Noobking from the teams tourney.
 

joshisrad

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Why would you even include the first part of that post, Josh? Who the **** cares what the reason was. The fact is that it didn't happen. In fact, stating that in the first place it becomes pretty clear to me that you WANT flaming to start.
So wait, why is it suddenly a big deal to you that someone says something in this thread that isn't worth mentioning? Happens all the time buddy. You can keep your blind negative assumptions to yourself. For what is clear, anyway? How can we define it when it's an adjective that gains its definition through perspective? Or perhaps you have some otherwordly crystal ball that you're looking into which told you that I want flaming to take place. Yes, that would explain this audacious interpretation of my post that you have shared with us.

Timmy, I know I wasn't there to see anything, I was just posting what Minh said - and he said it, not me, so tell him that :p
 

joshisrad

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GOOD QUESTION I'll get back to you when you answer my own juvenile trick question for you SO WHY DO YOU SUCK MY **** SO OFTEN BART?!?!?!
 

Riot6777

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I'm stunned to think that I came into this thread and found contructive, thoughtful, and worthwhile contents oozing from every post. When I first started reading Josh's post, I was thinking "Uh oh, someone is going to start a flame war" but, instead, introspective discussion followed. Wow.

From what I've read, it seems that most of us have come the the realization, or at least brought to attention, a few major points:
  1. Oregon sucks
  2. There's too much sandbagging
  3. We have potential
For those of you who are already knowledgable of the steps to improvement, you'll note that the first step is to realize that you aren't the best, thus "Oregon Sucks". It seems we've pinpointed the obstacles, such as the good players being scattered, lack of time to practice, and the ugly sandbagging mentality. Third, and most importantly, we realize we can overcome said obstacles and show that Oregon does indeed have potential.

Interesting to note that Oregon has already started working on overcoming some of these points. The first that comes to mind is that interest in tournaments is becoming more widespread - we're seeing tournies in Gresham, Salem and Corvallis whereas in the past if you wanted to go to a tournament there was only TANG and SF:E. This gives players in those areas a better chance to attend, play, and improve.

Also, the "newer" players seem to have a more determined mindset, which lets them improve more quickly and pushes the competition to also improve. Everyone loves playing against MCS, not just because he is good, but because you know that he's not going to hold back on you. Trust me when I say your level of determination is contagious - if you play without energy, you will have a lackluster opponent; but if you fight with determination, your opponent will rise to meet the challenge.

Although Oregon is clearly behind in the competitive scene on the West Coast, you have to realize that California has some of the best players in the world and not everyone in CA is Ken & Isai. Washington is the same way, Ka-Master and Silent Wolf did amazing at FCD/0C3 considering the level of competition at those tournies, but not everyone in WA is a Ka or Wolf. Certainly Oregon can follow suit and produce some high-calibur players that rep the state. People who are interested in attaining that level of skill just need to address what's holding them back and then work at it.

I think that since we're comparing ourselves to the best of West Coast that it's obvious we're setting our goals to at least that standard. We don't have the luxury of having a huge population like SoCal, nor having top players at close proximity like WA, so what we need is to keep Oregon connected. We need to think of Oregon as a crew and all the smashers as members. We need to make honest attempts to go to tournies and play with determination and resolve. We need to appreciate our opponents and remember that the game is only as good as the players.
Timmy I couldn't agree with you more if I tried.....

Oregon does have what it takes but alot of us do still suck it's just some need to learn and try and respect others in the learning process with out help form other Oregon smasher we will go know where fast.

In other words I am saying in stead of fighting each other we all need to work together in getting better and fighting other states.

Also people sandbag less please I am saying mess around with friends but do try your hardest when you have learned tricks and you need to battle.

Why would you even include the first part of that post, Josh? Who the **** cares what the reason was. The fact is that it didn't happen. In fact, stating that in the first place it becomes pretty clear to me that you WANT flaming to start.

Anyway, another issue with Oregon is that people don't know HOW to get better when they are actually playing. You don't just get better by playing over and over and over and over. You have to experiment and try **** that normally doesn't make sense, even to you. Once you start seeing what things DO work that normally wouldn't work, and when they work, then you can start to improve. Pay attention to tech rolls, pay attention to habitual double jumps and ****. It's hard to get better and it DOES take a conscious effort while playing.
Bart you always make a good point.

Yes people do try things experiment, think about it maybe your one stupid idea turns out to be a great mind game or just something great to use you don't know unless you try.

Bart has to be one of Oregon's strongest players in my opinion he has come along way believe me I have been there to see it I used to be on top of him but now he has played long and hard it has paid off for him I know it's by this same method he is talking about.

Even if another state has more advanced scrubs than Oregon does, that scrub can only hope to beat noobs and other scrubs.

You weren't there to see it Josh, but Oregon was not destroyed at 0C3. I heard compliments about the other Oregon players from people who didn't know which state they were from. And unless I'm mistaken, that was Bart and Minh's first out of state tourney which shows that while Oregon may not have a major smash scene, we're not as terrible as it might seem.
I heard about that and in doing that Oregon is still up there we are not the worst state there are others below us but alot on top of us as well.

We just showed them that Oregon is starting to do a little better maybe next year we can all show them that we are a state to worry about.

Keep working on it peoples.

It was funny actually at 0C3. Mike Monkey was afraid to face me in pools even though I suck major *** compared to him because James and I eliminated him and Noobking from the teams tourney.
I can see why lol he was worried from the teams, it must make you feel good to make a pro worry when they fight you.
 

FoosJr

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I have some potentially bad/good news. I might be moving to eugene! the bad part is I might not move to Eugene and instead move to north cali. Just thought I would let you guys know because I play such a big role in the Oregon smash scene lol.
 

cmin

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I have some potentially bad/good news. I might be moving to eugene! the bad part is I might not move to Eugene and instead move to north cali. Just thought I would let you guys know because I play such a big role in the Oregon smash scene lol.
I wouldnt say thats good and bad news.. thats good OR bad news. HMPH!

Anyways umm... i dont know what to say but agree with all of this positive attitude about getting better and such. I'm pretty sure our meta game will transfer over to brawl so there is no reason to quit this game so keep practicing. I hope to see all of you guys and more in brawl.

thats my 2 dollars.
 

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Don'tcha know? Everybody's moving to Eugene. But, in case it's NorCal, which part? The northernest north of NorCal has even less of a smash scene than Oregon does.
 

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Ok, Timmy, lead us. What do we do next to further our progression towards making a PR list.

As the most traveled player, I think you should pick four other, willing, panelists to help make the PR list.
 

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I have no Idea but I'd be living in shasta most likely. Whcih I believe is pretty far up north. So if I move there I'm gonna be in like the middle of nowhere, I could go to GP and play bart and andy though.
 

t!MmY

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Trust me, "Far North Nor-Cal" has as much smash activity as Idaho... maybe worse. Shasta is sort of cool if you like skiing, and there's a nice restaurant with organic food and vegetarian items, but I seriously doubt you're going to find competition in Weed, Yreka, Eureka, etc. I think the last people I played in that area was in Placerville, and they were scrubs that played casually, at best.

As for PR panalists, I doubt OR needs five of 'em. Since it seems Minh's not too excited about being one, I think Balloon and Binx should take up the positions for S-Oregon and N-Oregon and t0mmy and I will be Mid-Oregon.

There's not much work in being an OR panelist, we just need people who watch the tournament scene and are active on the boards. As for actual decisions, like Cmin said, it's not hard to guess who's who in Oregon. I think the majority of our discussion will be about how we're going to set up the list and other things pertaining to its organization rather than the PR list itself.
 
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