Official Smash for Switch 2 - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[ninjahmos]

Which character could potentially be a semi-clone such as what happened with Isabelle.

I think an example in my opinion would be Shadow where he would use Sonic as a base but moves that wouldn’t work would be different.

Maybe Dixie could work as a semi-clone of Diddy with her ponytail and bubblegum worked into her moveset somehow.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Maybe Dixie could work as a semi-clone of Diddy with her ponytail and bubblegum worked into her moveset somehow.

Why do people insist on making an idle animation where she chews gum into a move?

Do you see Diddy juggling as an attack anywhere? Do you think he should?

I've seen this idea brought up for over a decade now and it doesn't get any less ridiculous.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Why do people insist on making an idle animation where she chews gum into a move?

Do you see Diddy juggling as an attack anywhere? Do you think he should?

I've seen this idea brought up for over a decade now and it doesn't get any less ridiculous.

I mean to be fair, Tropical Freeze does give her a Bubblegum Popgun.

I doubt it'd be too different from Diddy's Peanut Popgun, but it could potentially be used as a sticky trap style move or potentially some kind of stun like I think it does in Tropical Freeze itself, so I can see some merit to the idea.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I mean to be fair, Tropical Freeze does give her a Bubblegum Popgun.

I doubt it'd be too different from Diddy's Peanut Popgun, but it could potentially be used as a sticky trap style move, so I can see some merit to the idea.

No.
As I've stated multiple times it is not a goddamn "Bubblegum Popgun".

it's a Gumball Popgun. As in the hard pellets that are un-chewed.
They cause concussive hits, not explode into some sticky substance.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why do people insist on making an idle animation where she chews gum into a move?

Dixie uses a Gumball Popgun in Tropical Freeze instead of a Peanut Popgun like Diddy. That makes it an obvious replacement.

As I've stated multiple times it is not a goddamn "Bubblegum Popgun".

it's a Gumball Popgun.

Gumballs ARE bubblegum.

Seriously...who gives a ****?

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Why do people insist on making an idle animation where she chews gum into a move?

That’s probably just going to be a taunt with the Gumball Popgun being the replacement neutral special.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Which character could potentially be a semi-clone such as what happened with Isabelle.

I think an example in my opinion would be Shadow where he would use Sonic as a base but moves that wouldn’t work would be different.

If they don't go the echo route for them, Octoling is one of the most guaranteed semi-clones.

No.
As I've stated multiple times it is not a goddamn "Bubblegum Popgun".

it's a Gumball Popgun. As in the hard pellets that are un-chewed.
They cause concussive hits, not explode into some sticky substance.
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I could see a creative liberty where instead of blowing up, a fully charged Gumball Popgun does the sticky trap. Maybe with a visual of the Popgun somehow overheating to explain why it's suddenly a sticky trap; the heat melted the gumballs a bit and made them soft. Ignore that in real life, this would clog the gun.

Is it mandatory? No. But that's the only way I can see her have a sticky trap move. Much like how the Peanut Popgun never blows up in the actual DK games.

Otherwise, Gumball Popgun is 100% a family-friendly shotgun which, assuming a grappler focus since she could reasonably have DK's carry mechanic, would still encourage getting up close and personal to maximize damage.

 

[Oracle Link]

Which character could potentially be a semi-clone such as what happened with Isabelle.

I think an example in my opinion would be Shadow where he would use Sonic as a base but moves that wouldn’t work would be different.

Frisk and chara could be semi clones if frisk is added! Like frisk has a spare/fight mechanic and moves that go along with it while chara only uses attacking moves!

Also technically you could add a diffrent version of link as an echo!
I disagree that it should be classic adult link tho!
I rather have toon/model or young link! (Which cant be echoes of adult link)
Maybe you could add another young link as an echo like either zelda 1 or oracle artwork Link?

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I could see a creative liberty where instead of blowing up, a fully charged Gumball Popgun does the sticky trap. Maybe with a visual of the Popgun somehow overheating to explain why it's suddenly a sticky trap; the heat melted the gumballs a bit and made them soft. Ignore that in real life, this would clog the gun.

Is it mandatory? No. But that's the only way I can see her have a sticky trap move. Much like how the Peanut Popgun never blows up in the actual DK games.

Otherwise, Gumball Popgun is 100% a family-friendly shotgun which, assuming a grappler focus since she could reasonably have DK's carry mechanic, would still encourage getting up close and personal to maximize damage.

I'm not arguing a creative liberty can't be made as I'd even said as such the last time the idea was said.

I'm just getting rather tired of the notion that she already has this being part of speculation when the idea of using sticky gum itself as means of attack is 100% a fan made concept.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm not arguing a creative liberty can't be made as I'd even said as such the last time the idea was said.

I'm just getting rather tired of the notion that she already has this being part of speculation when the idea of using sticky gum itself as means of attack is 100% a fan made concept.

That's entirely fair.

And the following isn't targeted at you but rather everyone else; if Sakurai strives for accuracy as much as realistically possible, wouldn't the idle animation of her chewing bubblegum be, I don't know, an idle animation?

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Frisk and chara could be semi clones if frisk is added! Like frisk has a spare/fight mechanic and moves that go along with it while chara only uses attacking moves!

Also technically you could add a diffrent version of link as an echo!
I disagree that it should be classic adult link tho!
I rather have toon/model or young link! (Which cant be echoes of adult link)
Maybe you could add another young link as an echo like either zelda 1 or oracle artwork Link?

It will probably just be Frisk from the two with the character changing at the last stock depending on which attacks are used to reference the different routes. Although my opinion is that the Undertale series rep will either be Sans or a character from Deltarune.

Toon Link is already a semi-clone so I think that’s enough if the developers want more then one Link.

 

[Laniv]

Which character could potentially be a semi-clone such as what happened with Isabelle.

I think an example in my opinion would be Shadow where he would use Sonic as a base but moves that wouldn’t work would be different.

Dixie Kong as a Diddy Kong semi-clone
Shadow for Sonic
Funky Kong for Donkey Kong
...oh I dunno, Lakitu as a Bowser Jr. semi-clone??

 

[Will]

At least the new Nintendo Classics Gamecube controller has a ZL button. Even if it is a tiny little baby thing.

My Power-A Switch 1 GameCube controller had the same thing

 

[fogbadge]

Dixie Kong as a Diddy Kong semi-clone
Shadow for Sonic
Funky Kong for Donkey Kong
...oh I dunno, Lakitu as a Bowser Jr. semi-clone??

im just picturing that tongue coming out of the cloud

 

[DarthEnderX]

My Power-A Switch 1 GameCube controller had the same thing

Looking at that, it looks like the ZL button on the Power-A is basically the same as the Z-button. Which is how it SHOULD be.

Instead of the way it is on the new classic controller. Where it's almost like one of those little Joycon buttons.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Have any of you guys gotten any luck getting a switch 2? Yesterday I was lucky enough to be able to get on the Walmart website to preordered the moment it started but it took quite a while and then when I finally got through and was able to make the order I wake up the next day to get a notification that my order was canceled cause of some error even though the website clearly told me I got my order.
And seems now that the switch 2 is sold out at the moment. Things ain’t looking good to get the system.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

im just picturing that tongue coming out of the cloud

Yeah that sounds like a neat idea that stops making sense the second you think about all the attachments the Koopa Clown Car has.

Have any of you guys gotten any luck getting a switch 2? Yesterday I was lucky enough to be able to get on the Walmart website to preordered the moment it started but it took quite a while and then when I finally got through and was able to make the order I wake up the next day to get a notification that my order was canceled cause of some error even though the website clearly told me I got my order.
And seems now that the switch 2 is sold out at the moment. Things ain’t looking good to get the system.

I wasn't bothering with pre-orders, but I would like to get one when it does come out. Hopefully me waiting until launch doesn't cause me issues.

 

[Watuna4343]

Which character could potentially be a semi-clone such as what happened with Isabelle.

I think an example in my opinion would be Shadow where he would use Sonic as a base but moves that wouldn’t work would be different.

Octoling mandatory answer but I feel like there's a wide spectrum in regards to Octoling, like from semi-clone to a straight up alt, anything goes but I think that a semi-clone is the Octoling's peak in terms of unique-ness.
Probably Galacta Knight, even though like the Octoling, being a semi-clone would probably be his peak in terms of unique-ness

 

[DarthEnderX]

And seems now that the switch 2 is sold out at the moment. Things ain’t looking good to get the system.

I guess the price isn't the issue everyone said it was.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I guess the price isn't the issue everyone said it was.

To be fair, the price of the Switch 2 itself was always considered a little high, but still reasonable. It's that dang $80 Mario Kart that caused all this.

 

[Ivander]

Me and my siblings managed to get our pre-orders in at a local game store. Had to wait in a lineup, but it wasn't a bad lineup and we got in early before the lineup got notably bigger.

 

[Guynamednelson]

To be fair, the price of the Switch 2 itself was always considered a little high, but still reasonable. It's that dang $80 Mario Kart that caused all this.

The power to run games at 120 FPS has to come from somewhere expensive, but there is literally no excuse for $80 Mario Kart.

Not even $80 SNES games. They had to cover manufacturing costs and weren't expected to sell 5 million let alone 50 million units. This is just a **** You Give Us Your Money We're Nintendo We Own You tax.

 

[ninjahmos]

If BEMANI (Dance Dance Revolution, Beatmania, GuitarFreaks & DrumMania, etc.) ever gets represented into Smash, they should include this masterpiece:

In fact, I think the next Smash game's main theme should sound similar to this.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

To be fair, the price of the Switch 2 itself was always considered a little high, but still reasonable. It's that dang $80 Mario Kart that caused all this.

Fr. I'm honestly a lot less inclined to blame this on tariffs since honestly, if the Welcome Tour was a pack in and Mario Kart Tour was a whole 10$ cheaper, there probably wouldn't be half as much ire as there currently is.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Mario Kart Tour was a whole 10$ cheaper

More like 20 bucks cheaper, because Street Fighter 6's Switch 2 port is $60 even with the first two seasons bundled in.

 

[Gengar84]

So I caved and preordered the Switch 2 Mario Kart bundle. I was perfectly fine not getting it but my brother really wanted it so I did. Had to wait in a two and a half hour line at GameStop. For most games I think I’ll wait for a sale but he convinced me to get a Switch early for two reasons. One, the PS5 never dropped in price and only got more expensive. And two, the early models of the consoles are always the ones you can mod for things like a potential future Smash Bros. game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Fr. I'm honestly a lot less inclined to blame this on tariffs since honestly, if the Welcome Tour was a pack in and Mario Kart Tour was a whole 10$ cheaper, there probably wouldn't be half as much ire as there currently is.

Yeah the fact that the prices are the same for all regions makes it pretty clear it's not tariff related. If the prices increase due to tariffs, it's likely to be at the U.S. retail level.

More like 20 bucks cheaper, because Street Fighter 6's Switch 2 port is $60 even with the first two seasons bundled in.

I think $70 would have been accepted. They got away with The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom being $70, and nobody was super surprised about Donkey Kong Bonanza being $70. I think it's really the fact that 1, prices were hidden, and 2, Mario Kart World got a price hike only 2 years after the previous price hike.

Usually prices stabilize for at least a decade and we literally just swallowed the price increase from $60, which was how it was since I can remember. Add on to that the fact that the world's economy is in dire straights aaaand...

 

[Loungemen]

Maybe Dixie could work as a semi-clone of Diddy with her ponytail and bubblegum worked into her moveset somehow.

Hot take

Dixie as a Diddy echo, since Diddy can't attack with his tail anymore; she uses the Gumball Popgun as her neutral special, her up special would be similar to DK's up special, Final Smash would be different as well, kinda like how Chrom's is different

It doesn't make any sense, but really, so does 80% of the echoes we have now

EDIT: I now realized they needed to share a skeleton, which I'm almost sure Dixie's hair has, my bad, make her a semi-clone then

 

[Guynamednelson]

It doesn't make any sense, but really, so does 80% of the echoes we have now

They make sense if you pay attention to how many stats Ken and Chrom have that aren't changed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

EDIT: I now realized they needed to share a skeleton, which I'm almost sure Dixie's hair has, my bad, make her a semi-clone then

It's kind of a weird case because the ponytail wouldn't ruin any of the animations. If they really wanted to, they could just give it physics and call it a day, maybe only animating it for up special. I'm not sure they'd choose to do that because Smash doesn't generally go for crazy hair physics and Dixie's ponytail is a large part of her design, but even if they just animated the hair and left the rest the same it would save a lot of time.

 

[Will]

Talking about Dixie potentially being used as an Echo, or even as a semi-clone, in this thread is the equivalent of summoning an angry spirit with a Ouija board.

 

[DarthEnderX]

And two, the early models of the consoles are always the ones you can mod for things like a potential future Smash Bros. game.

The early models of consoles are also always the ones that have technical issues.

 

[Gengar84]

The early models of consoles are also always the ones that have technical issues.

Fair point but I’ll take that trade if it’s the only way I can mod Smash. My Switch I got at launch still works fine. The controllers not so much though.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

As a Dixie Kong stan, I think implementing her bubble gum blowing and guitar into her moveset feels like a shoehorned way of making her unique.

She can just be a semi clone with some ponytail attacks thrown in, it’s ok.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

As a Dixie Kong stan, I think implementing her bubble gum and guitar into her moveset feels like a shoehorned way of making her unique.

She can just be a semi clone with some ponytail attacks thrown in, it’s ok.

Well the bubblegum should definitely be there since it's literally just Diddy's peanut gun but styled for Dixie in the source material, but yeah I dunno about adding her guitar.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Talking about Dixie potentially being used as an Echo, or even as a semi-clone, in this thread is the equivalent of summoning an angry spirit with a Ouija board.

So you're saying we can talk about King Boo in Smash?

(Sorry, had to make that joke.)

 

[Will]

So you're saying we can talk about King Boo in Smash?

(Sorry, had to make that joke.)

Not even a joke I think King Boo would be universally received well, just not anticipated compared to the competition

 

[ninjahmos]

Yeah…I think most of us can agree that Dixie as an Echo (or semi-clone) of Diddy is just as bad an idea as Funky as an Echo (or semi-clone) of DK.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Monkey's Paw, we get King Boo, but none of the Luigi's Mansion designs. Only his updated design from Wonder and MK World.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Well the bubblegum should definitely be there since it's literally just Diddy's peanut gun but styled for Dixie in the source material, but yeah I dunno about adding her guitar.

I mean blowing bubbles

Yeah…I think most of us can agree that Dixie as an Echo (or semi-clone) of Diddy is just as bad an idea as Funky as an Echo (or semi-clone) of DK.

No, I don’t think most people can agree with that. Dixie is even my 2nd most wanted character, and while I don’t think she should be an echo fighter, a semi clone would be perfectly fine. I think Funky Kong would work fine as an echo, just make him stand upright, adjust some animations, and maybe instead of Spinning Kong he spins on his surfboard.