Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[RealLuigisWearPink]

In like the second or third episode of the anime there was a scene in a Pokémon Center where Misty uses Goldeen to fight off Team Rocket before returning it to its Ball upon realizing Water Pokémon can't fight on land...despite that never being brought up again and even contradicted at some points.

Why Sakurai went with a comparatively obscure reference over the Pokémon known for splashing around, I don't know.

Cause Sakurai looked at the big-ass list of ''Obvious things that anyone with a brain would add'' and decided to burn it.

 

[_Sheik]

If we were to get a Treehouse showcase of the next Smash at E3, do you think it'll be a demo stripped of most of its content like SSB4 at E3 2014 and Zelda at E3 2016? Only a few stages were displayed in the former's stage select screen - two of which had been revealed one or two weeks before the event via a PotD. I suppose if there are a few selects stages this time as well, it'll be a mix of older SSBU stages with a couple of newer ones that are meant to illustrate the port's new content. (Assuming it's a port)

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Uhh.. I've come across the strangest Fan-Made roster i've ever seen, with some pretty wild and obscure characters. This is from before Brawl.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080520...nline.com/CharacterPages/characterselect.html

It's intriguing to see what this site got right, despite those right picks being ridiculous back when it was made. The site also has some Stages, an Adventure mode and other things. It's pretty fun to look through. Anything on here you think has shot in a future Smash Game?

 

[Curious Villager]

In like the second or third episode of the anime there was a scene in a Pokémon Center where Misty uses Goldeen to fight off Team Rocket before returning it to its Ball upon realizing Water Pokémon can't fight on land...despite that never being brought up again and even contradicted at some points.

Why Sakurai went with a comparatively obscure reference over the Pokémon known for splashing around, I don't know.

It's probably just a guess on my part, but in that episode when Misty threw that Pokeball, she didn't know what Pokemon would come out of it, hence that scene with Goldeen splashing around. Wereas in the games, you yourself can choose to release a Magikarp out of a Pokeball and have it use Splash. Thus being a bit more of a conscious decision.

I guess in Smash, it's kind of a reference to that as you don't know what Pokemon comes out of a Pokeball either, thus being a little bit comparable to that Goldeen scene from the anime. That's just my wild guess though, mind....

 

[N3ON]

Yeah Goldeen over Magikarp is a big missed opportunity. Magikarp is known for flailing around and people love it regardless. Moreover, every 1 out of 10 or 15 or 20 or whatever Magikarps could evolve into a Gyarados, which could then thrash around doing some massive damage. Make it a little less useless. And it would add to the random chaos of Pokeballs.

But it doesn't seem like any of that will happen at this point. Ah well.

 

[FunAtParties]

Uhh.. I've come across the strangest Fan-Made roster i've ever seen, with some pretty wild and obscure characters. This is from before Brawl.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080520...nline.com/CharacterPages/characterselect.html

It's intriguing to see what this site got right, despite those right picks being ridiculous back when it was made. The site also has some Stages, an Adventure mode and other things. It's pretty fun to look through. Anything on here you think has shot in a future Smash Game?

I'm actually kind of amazed they got Samus without Suit in there. I don't think anyone was asking for that back then, but then again, he's got about 6 or 7 Mario's so I shouldn't be too surprised.

Question for anyone that knows the answer, is Demille 1st or 3rd party?

 

[Schnee117]

Question for anyone that knows the answer, is Demille 1st or 3rd party?

A quick google search suggests it's first party seeing as Alphadream developed and Nintendo published their home game, Tomato Adventure, back in 2002.
It got a Wii U VC release in Japan back in 2015

 

[FunAtParties]

A quick google search suggests it's first party seeing as Alphadream developed and Nintendo published their home game, Tomato Adventure, back in 2002.
It got a Wii U VC release in Japan back in 2015

Could be a Rareware type scenario though.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

Sorry if I'm going to change the subject on this matters, but I'm curious about people's opinions here. How many characters do you think we would get? And Who do you think that would have a greater chance to become playable character?

I know there is a poll but I would rather to read people's thoughts on that matters, rather than depend on the numbers.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

I'm actually kind of amazed they got Samus without Suit in there. I don't think anyone was asking for that back then, but then again, he's got about 6 or 7 Mario's so I shouldn't be too surprised.

Question for anyone that knows the answer, is Demille 1st or 3rd party?

I'm more surprised at it getting Duck Hunt (listed as ''Laughing Dog'') right.. Then again, with Ice Hockey Team and and ''Baseball Guy'', I don't think these were really predictions as much as it was pulling games out of a bin at random.

I think there's more versions of Mario on this site than there are Mario series characters in Smash 4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Uhh.. I've come across the strangest Fan-Made roster i've ever seen, with some pretty wild and obscure characters. This is from before Brawl.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080520...nline.com/CharacterPages/characterselect.html

It's intriguing to see what this site got right, despite those right picks being ridiculous back when it was made. The site also has some Stages, an Adventure mode and other things. It's pretty fun to look through. Anything on here you think has shot in a future Smash Game?

I remember it. It had Impa before I wanted Impa.

Characters I think are very likely are; Inklings, Knuckles / Tails, Wolf, and a new Pokemon of course. Personally, I say Lycanroc due to the attention it gets as of late. Next up, it could be just about anyone, and especially thinking another character from Namco is likely- if it's a port and Namco is in the development team again. Am extremely hopeful for another Donkey Kong and Zelda character but am unsure about the chances... K.Rool could happen as a ballot chosen character, and Dixie as a sort of Diddy semi-clone (if they add more characters like that). Fire Emblem and Mario also could get new characters, as always.

Am personally hoping there'll be some more clones and semi-clones cause with the roster as big as now, excisting movesets could easily give inspiration for new characters.

 

[FunAtParties]

I'm more surprised at it getting Duck Hunt (listed as ''Laughing Dog'') right.. Then again, with Ice Hockey Team and and ''Baseball Guy'', I don't think these were really predictions as much as it was pulling games out of a bin at random.

I think there's more versions of Mario on this site than there are Mario series characters in Smash 4.

Having a few extra Mario's used to be a common thing back then. Before Melee, Metal Mario was always a big request, after Melee, Paper Mario and Shadow Mario were big (though technically neither are THE Mario), Tanooki Mario only got big again after the Tanooki suit returned (so I wanna say 3D Land?), but I've never seen this many all in one place.

As an aside, am I the only one who kind of expected Duck Hunt (Laughing Dog) eventually? He's one of the most iconic faces of retro Nintendo. I'm not going to claim "I called it" because no one here would believe me, and quite frankly they'd be right as I never actually called it, but I definitely thought he had a good enough chance before he was revealed.

I think all the purely retro picks have been from NES era so far, so I'd guess Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, Bubbles, or on a hail mary Donkey Kong Jr is next up, there aren't many characters left from that era that have seen worldwide releases.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Changed the poll since we're getting so close to E3

Simple and clean, will smash show up at all at E3?

As an aside, am I the only one who kind of expected Duck Hunt (Laughing Dog) eventually? He's one of the most iconic faces of retro Nintendo. I'm not going to claim "I called it" because no one here would believe me, and quite frankly they'd be right as I never actually called it, but I definitely thought he had a good enough chance before he was revealed.

Back before the game was announced I thought he had a chance at being a "peripheral rep" like ROB or G&W but thought WFT had a better chance from some misinformation.

After WFT got revealed he faded away from my thoughts. So. . .sort of?

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry if I'm going to change the subject on this matters, but I'm curious about people's opinions here. How many characters do you think we would get? And Who do you think that would have a greater chance to become playable character?

I know there is a poll but I would rather to read people's thoughts on that matters, rather than depend on the numbers.

Need specifics.
You mean in a port or new game?

 

[FunAtParties]

Need specifics.
You mean in a port or new game?

Do you think we would get more characters in a new game than the port? Idk, with a port, characters can be a focus, with a new game, you gotta make everything else too. Unless of course there's cuts....

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Having a few extra Mario's used to be a common thing back then. Before Melee, Metal Mario was always a big request, after Melee, Paper Mario and Shadow Mario were big (though technically neither are THE Mario), Tanooki Mario only got big again after the Tanooki suit returned (so I wanna say 3D Land?), but I've never seen this many all in one place.

As an aside, am I the only one who kind of expected Duck Hunt (Laughing Dog) eventually? He's one of the most iconic faces of retro Nintendo. I'm not going to claim "I called it" because no one here would believe me, and quite frankly they'd be right as I never actually called it, but I definitely thought he had a good enough chance before he was revealed.

I think all the purely retro picks have been from NES era so far, so I'd guess Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, Bubbles, or on a hail mary Donkey Kong Jr is next up, there aren't many characters left from that era that have seen worldwide releases.

I certainly thought of Duck Hunt, but it was one those ''It'd be cool but I doubt it'' kinda things. It was like, why would Sakurai choose him over Excitebiker? (I used to be certain of the Biker's inclusion, for whatever reason)

For NES characters, there's also Mach Rider I guess. Or Lolo. They can also take the Marth route and go with obscure Japenese **** like the guy from Devil World, or Ayumi Tachibana. NES/Famicom had a huge library, there is no shortage of potential characters from that era. (As an aside, did ANYBODY besides that website I linked earlier ever think of ****ing Frog Mario?)

Sorry if I'm going to change the subject on this matters, but I'm curious about people's opinions here. How many characters do you think we would get? And Who do you think that would have a greater chance to become playable character?

I know there is a poll but I would rather to read people's thoughts on that matters, rather than depend on the numbers.

If it's a port: 5-6 new characters, probably split between new characters and returning Vets. I'd say: Wolf and ICs return, new characters are K Rool, Inklings, and a new Namco character (Pick between Dig-Dug, Heihachi and Lloid)

If it's a new game: 3-4 cuts, around 8-10 new guys.

 

[Opossum]

Do you think we would get more characters in a new game than the port? Idk, with a port, characters can be a focus, with a new game, you gotta make everything else too. Unless of course there's cuts....

If it's a port I doubt we'd get more than two or three characters, tops. If it's a new game I think we'd get at least ten. There's no way a port would have more new characters than a new iteration.

 

[FunAtParties]

I certainly thought of Duck Hunt, but it was one those ''It'd be cool but I doubt it'' kinda things. It was like, why would Sakurai choose him over Excitebiker? (I used to be certain of the Biker's inclusion, for whatever reason)

For NES characters, there's also Mach Rider I guess. Or Lolo. They can also take the Marth route and go with obscure Japenese **** like the guy from Devil World, or Ayumi Tachibana. NES/Famicom had a huge library, there is no shortage of potential characters from that era. (As an aside, did ANYBODY besides that website I linked earlier ever think of ****ing Frog Mario?)



If it's a port: 5-6 new characters, probably split between new characters and returning Vets. I'd say: Wolf and ICs return, new characters are K Rool, Bomberman, and a new Namco character (Pick between Dig-Dug, Heihachi and Lloid)

If it's a new game: 3-4 cuts, around 8-10 new guys.

Fire Emblem was a big Japanese franchise that was only in Japan at the time. It's not really the same as Devil's World which is a one-time, forgotten title that never made it's way to NA. As a Starfy fan, I have to mention that a lot of people thought Starfy was going to be the next franchise to follow in FE's footsteps during the Brawl speculation era. Even had the marketing angle going for it but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

I wish that tradition carried on like the retro rep and wtf rep, I guess Lucas counts, Little Mac too, but opposite countries. Maybe it did?

If it's a port I doubt we'd get more than two or three characters, tops. If it's a new game I think we'd get at least ten. There's no way a port would have more new characters than a new iteration.

I agree, but I don't see why they do it like that. It'd be so much easier to focus resources on just making characters in the case of a port, which is the main selling point of Smash, especially one we all already played.

 

[Luminario]

Sorry if I'm going to change the subject on this matters, but I'm curious about people's opinions here. How many characters do you think we would get? And Who do you think that would have a greater chance to become playable character?

I know there is a poll but I would rather to read people's thoughts on that matters, rather than depend on the numbers.

I'd say it's pretty likely to get at least 7, with both a port and a new game. The focus of Smash is first and foremost the characters, and new characters always bring hype with them which brings sales. For likely characters: Inklings, Isabelle, Ashley, ICs, Wolf, Dixie, Mimikyu/Decidueye, and some 3rd Party character I likely won't remotely care about.

If it's a port I doubt we'd get more than two or three characters, tops. If it's a new game I think we'd get at least ten. There's no way a port would have more new characters than a new iteration.

Why do you think that though? wouldn't it make more sense to put in more characters thanks to not having to build the game up again?

 

[Opossum]

I'd say it's pretty likely to get at least 7, with both a port and a new game. The focus of Smash is first and foremost the characters, and new characters always bring hype with them which brings sales. For likely characters: Inklings, Isabelle, Ashley, ICs, Wolf, Dixie, Mimikyu/Decidueye, and some 3rd Party character I likely won't remotely care about.

Why do you think that though? wouldn't it make more sense to put in more characters thanks to not having to build the game up again?

Generally ports exist because they're low in effort and cost to make, but high in profit. Sakurai has said in the past that it takes an immense amount of work to create and balance even one character. Considering a port would need characters to sell well, that's why I think they'd put a minimum number of additions. Put in too many and the port costs too much to make, defeating the purpose of a port in the first place.

tl;dr: Ports are made for easy money. Making tons of characters costs a lot of money and time, making it basically impossible for a port.

 

[Kirbeh]

I'd say it's pretty likely to get at least 7, with both a port and a new game. The focus of Smash is first and foremost the characters, and new characters always bring hype with them which brings sales. For likely characters: Inklings, Isabelle, Ashley, ICs, Wolf, Dixie, Mimikyu/Decidueye, and some 3rd Party character I likely won't remotely care about.

Why do you think that though? wouldn't it make more sense to put in more characters thanks to not having to build the game up again?

I think that really depends on how much they want to continue support for the game.

It's possible that they just pack in the DLC and call it a day as the definitive edition for a reduced price. After all, with how poorly the Wii U did, there's an untapped market of potential new players that haven't gotten to play Smash For yet.

Or, what seems to be most of our predictions, they'll pull an Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and add some additional characters and some other extra content to rake in both newcomers and those that already bought the Wii U and 3DS versions.

Originally, I was in the camp that believed we'd get little to no additional content on the basis that with the original development team having since disbanded, they'd likely only put in the minimal work required to port it over with a smaller team, possibly even an outsourced one.

For a long while now though, I've ended up crossing over to thinking that we'll get an "Ultimate" situation like with MvC3. Smash is too big a deal to not try and do more with it, especially when they've just launched a new console and Smash For otherwise being extremely short lived if they allow it to die with the Wii U.

As one of their heavy hitting franchises, it makes more sense to work off of the game they already spent so much time and effort on, then to start from scratch all over again so soon. With enough new content, previous buyers will be more willing to double/triple dip, on top of getting sales from the more casual audience that may or may not have played the original version/skipped out on the Wii U as a whole.

That said, I still don't think we'll be getting too much additional content if we get a port, so I'm still more in line of around 3-4 new characters at most, if any. (Not my stance/prediction any longer, but I'm still open to the possibility of just getting a "Definitive Edition" as a second guess.)

tl;dr - Check Opossum's post, they put it much better.

 

[FunAtParties]

I think that really depends on how much they want to continue support for the game.

It's possible that they just pack in the DLC and call it a day as the definitive edition for a reduced price. After all, with how poorly the Wii U did, there's an untapped market of potential new players that haven't gotten to play Smash For yet.

Or, what seems to be most of our predictions, they'll pull an Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and add some additional characters and some other extra content to rake in both newcomers and those that already bought the Wii U and 3DS versions.

Originally, I was in the camp that believed we'd get little to no additional content on the basis that with the original development team having since disbanded, they'd likely only put in the minimal work required to port it over with a smaller team, possibly even an outsourced one.

For a long while now though, I've ended up crossing over to thinking that we'll get an "Ultimate" situation like with MvC3. Smash is too big a deal to not try and do more with it, especially when they've just launched a new console and Smash For otherwise being extremely short lived if they allow it to die with the Wii U.

As one of their heavy hitting franchises, it makes more sense to work off of the game they already spent so much time and effort on, then to start from scratch all over again so soon. With enough new content, previous buyers will be more willing to double/triple dip, on top of getting sales from the more casual audience that may or may not have played the original version/skipped out on the Wii U as a whole.

That said, I still don't think we'll be getting too much additional content if we get a port, so I'm still more in line of around 3-4 new characters at most, if any. (Not my stance/prediction any longer, but I'm still open to the possibility of just getting a "Definitive Edition" as a second guess.)

I'm not going to say they shouldn't do the definitive edition thing, but I feel like that would be a really scummy thing to do, just like I did when Capcom did it with MvC3. I know it's a good financial decision from every aspect, but I'm not going to lie, I'm going to be pissed if it happens.

 

[Kirbeh]

I'm not going to say they shouldn't do the definitive edition thing, but I feel like that would be a really scummy thing to do, just like I did when Capcom did it with MvC3. I know it's a good financial decision from every aspect, but I'm not going to lie, I'm going to be pissed if it happens.

I'm a little confused here.

A "definitive edition" in the way I meant it would just be Smash For with the DLC included, possibly at a reduced price. More like the Komplete Edition of Mortal Kombat.

An Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 situation, would be the one where they add additional new content that wasn't in the Wii U/3DS versions.

Which is the one you wouldn't be pleased with?

 

[FunAtParties]

I'm a little confused here.

A "definitive edition" in the way I meant it would just be Smash For with the DLC included, possibly at a reduced price. More like the Komplete Edition of Mortal Kombat.

An Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 situation, would be the one where they add additional new content that wasn't in the Wii U/3DS versions.

Which is the one you wouldn't be pleased with?

Sorry yeah, that post was a little all over the place. The first thing for sure. Though I hated how Capcom handled MvC3 for different reasons.

 

[Kirbeh]

Sorry yeah, that post was a little all over the place. The first thing for sure. Though I hated how Capcom handled MvC3 for different reasons.

Yeah, the big debacle over the jump from MvC3 to UMvC was that it was only a few months after vanilla Mahvel 3 was released. And instead of allowing owners of the original to upgrade via DLC, it was released as a separate game entirely, which even included not only re-buying the game, but re-buying the DLC as well.

I guess a similar situation could still arise when it comes to owners of the Wii U and 3DS versions of Smash For. Many will claim that if a port does happen, they shouldn't abandon the previous versions of the game as some have already expressed when it comes to MK8D.

Maybe it's just me, but the timing and fact that it was on the same console, plus the scummy handling of DLC made Marvel 3 a more egregious situation.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Nintendo wouldn't pull that ****. They're a much better company than Capcom, despite some boneheaded decisions, Nintendo actually cares about the consumers. A Smash 4 port wouldn't be a bare-bones POS that makes you rebuy DLC.

 

[FunAtParties]

Yeah, the big debacle over the jump from MvC3 to UMvC was that it was only a few months after vanilla Mahvel 3 was released. And instead of allowing owners of the original to upgrade via DLC, it was released as a separate game entirely, which even included not only re-buying the game, but re-buying the DLC as well.

I guess a similar situation could still arise when it comes to owners of the Wii U and 3DS versions of Smash For. Many will claim that if a port does happen, they shouldn't abandon the previous versions of the game as some have already expressed when it comes to MK8D.

Maybe it's just me, but the timing and fact that it was on the same console, plus the scummy handling of DLC made Marvel 3 a more egregious situation.

I know that lol, it was amazing how full of it Capcom was. Just constantly one-upping their own ****tiness. I remember thinking about just how bad on disc DLC was, and they managed to blow that out of the water in less than a year. Capcom has gotten better, but I still have problems trusting them after they pulled that.

MK8D isn't that bad imo. Having it on a different console makes it loads better as is, the spacing between releases is also better. Still not great, but it's not even the same league as MvC3.

Nintendo wouldn't pull that ****. They're a much better company than Capcom, despite some boneheaded decisions, Nintendo actually cares about the consumers. A Smash 4 port wouldn't be a bare-bones POS that makes you rebuy DLC.

Eh, they ain't perfect. I mean, even in certain Nintendo games, DLC is free, some other companies (well maybe not companies, but specific teams for said companies) don't charge at all for DLC. Yet Smash charged about an additional game price for 7 characters, a few stages, and a bunch of costumes. In comparison, the base game had over 50 characters already, and a bunch of other stuff. Plus, isn't that mobile FE game really bad with pay2win? Amiibos are also debatable in terms of scuminess. They can be iffy, just never reached Capcom levels of iffy.

I don't know if they would do this with a Smash port, I guess it remains to be seen.

 

[N3ON]

Uhh.. I've come across the strangest Fan-Made roster i've ever seen, with some pretty wild and obscure characters. This is from before Brawl.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080520...nline.com/CharacterPages/characterselect.html

It's intriguing to see what this site got right, despite those right picks being ridiculous back when it was made. The site also has some Stages, an Adventure mode and other things. It's pretty fun to look through. Anything on here you think has shot in a future Smash Game?

That list takes me back to the days of Golden Sun and Custom Robo... *sighs*
The 6th gen was really great for most Nintendo franchises (that existed at that time).

Sorry if I'm going to change the subject on this matters, but I'm curious about people's opinions here. How many characters do you think we would get? And Who do you think that would have a greater chance to become playable character?

I know there is a poll but I would rather to read people's thoughts on that matters, rather than depend on the numbers.

My old guess was at four, but I have to admit the amiibos have me thrown. I believe they indicate something has shifted in the pipeline, but as to what, for now I can only speculate. And this will be fairly boring, but the only characters I feel have a particularly strong chance are ICs and Inklings.

As to other possibilities... Wolf, a seventh gen Pokemon, Bomberman, Rayman, a character from the ballot (K. Rool or someone), even Snake... these are all possibilities... but imo little more than that. I don't believe we'll get an ARMS character yet. But trying to predict characters is usually a futile process. We get a few right and are way off on many... and I don't see a port being any different. Lord knows the DLC wan't.

And this is all under the assumption you're referring to the port. A full sequel is an entirely different game. Pun unintended.

Having a few extra Mario's used to be a common thing back then. Before Melee, Metal Mario was always a big request, after Melee, Paper Mario and Shadow Mario were big (though technically neither are THE Mario), Tanooki Mario only got big again after the Tanooki suit returned (so I wanna say 3D Land?), but I've never seen this many all in one place.

Thissssss doesn't match anything I remember. Apart from Paper Mario. And Shadow Mario if and only if you're speaking in the context of being part of a transformation gimmick with Bowser Jr.

People have never really suggested for more Marios, apart from Paper... and occasionally (but rarely) Baby (usually paired with Baby Luigi). It's happens, but not with a frequency enough to be notable. The only Marios people usually asked for were ones who had their own sub-series like Paper and Doc.

Changed the poll since we're getting so close to E3

Simple and clean, will smash show up at all at E3?

I'll be disappointed but not surprised if it's a no-show. I'm 50/50 on it. I do think the port exists in some state though. However I've stopped believing we'll receive it this year.

Generally ports exist because they're low in effort and cost to make, but high in profit. Sakurai has said in the past that it takes an immense amount of work to create and balance even one character. Considering a port would need characters to sell well, that's why I think they'd put a minimum number of additions. Put in too many and the port costs too much to make, defeating the purpose of a port in the first place.

tl;dr: Ports are made for easy money. Making tons of characters costs a lot of money and time, making it basically impossible for a port.

For what it's worth, I agree in that I think the additions will be limited. BUT. They made seven characters as DLC. With a limited team. And lord knows they probably paid a lot for at least two of those characters. And they only advertised them in Directs. And they still made a lot of money. If they show Smash at E3, with new characters, and they continue promoting the port as they promoted MK8D, or even to a lesser extent, I can't imagine the profit wouldn't outweigh the cost. It would be very surprising if a port with new content made less than the DLC. Look at MK8D.

And again, I don't think they will add a bunch of new characters. But the reason isn't because the costs would outweigh the benefits. It's because they would receive similar benefits with half that number of new characters. There is a great gap in the number of people who would buy a straight port vs. a port with four newcomers, but the gap between that latter category and those who would buy it with eight newcomers is much smaller. And at that point, that's when the costs are superfluous.

Nintendo wouldn't pull that ****. They're a much better company than Capcom, despite some boneheaded decisions, Nintendo actually cares about the consumers. A Smash 4 port wouldn't be a bare-bones POS that makes you rebuy DLC.

Nintendo cares about retaining the value of their IP more than anything else, which is a little different than caring about the consumer. In some situations that mentality benefits the consumer, in others it doesn't.


Also definitive editions are obviously things they would do if under the right circumstances. Like having highly lucrative software being hindered by a mismanaged flop of a console. Hence MK8D. Or simply because it could sell. Remember every third version of Pokemon? (blah blah blah blah Game Freak... who do you think bankrolls those games?). So obviously that could extend to Smash. It probably will. How you want to define "definitive edition" is up to you, but it's the same game, just with a handful of additional content.

 

[FunAtParties]

Thissssss doesn't match anything I remember. Apart from Paper Mario. And Shadow Mario if and only if you're speaking in the context of being part of a transformation gimmick with Bowser Jr.

People have never really suggested for more Marios, apart from Paper... and occasionally (but rarely) Baby (usually paired with Baby Luigi). It's happens, but not with a frequency enough to be notable. The only Marios people usually asked for were ones who had their own sub-series like Paper and Doc.

I forgot to mention Baby Mario.

I've definitely seen other Mario's suggested, not here though, but in places with more of a passing interest where people only really care about the big series like Mario and Pokemon, people used to fill half their roster with those franchises, and for Mario specifically, he'd have a few.

It wasn't exactly common like I first said, but you did see it.

And yeah, you're mostly right about Shadow Mario.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I speculated a bit in a video on a fellow Youtuber's Channel on our Smash E3 Predictions, but rather than link you to the hour-long discussion, I figure I'll give you the rundown.

Initial Predictions (Pre-Video): Ice Climbers, Inkling, Wolf, King K. Rool, Decidueye, Rayman/Snake added.

Pre-E3 Predictions (Video Predictions): Ice Climbers, Inkling, Wolf, Decidueye, Spring Man.

Eagerly awaiting what's going down.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Sorry if I'm going to change the subject on this matters, but I'm curious about people's opinions here. How many characters do you think we would get? And Who do you think that would have a greater chance to become playable character?

I know there is a poll but I would rather to read people's thoughts on that matters, rather than depend on the numbers.

If it's a port: 4-6 characters. If it's a new game: 10+ characters.

I think Inkling, Ice Climbers, Wolf, Sun/Moon Pokemon and some ballot runner-ups would all have a good shot. Other possibilities that come to mind are ARMS character (if the game becomes a hit), Dixie, Rayman (due to high demand for a DK character and Nintendo's recent collaboration with Ubisoft, respectively, both might've also done well in the ballot), Ashley and Isabelle (who seem to be promoted a lot).

 

[P.Kay]

If there is going to be an Animal Crossing character, I think it will be either Tom Nook or K.K. Slider.

Tom Nook is already in Villager's final smash but he can be taken out of it. I also think that Nook and K.K. are more suited for fighting than Isabelle (though I would like her in Smash too). I would also like it if there were more Animal Crossing trophies that could be used in battle.

Animal Crossing is a very cute series and I would like to see more of it in Smash.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Seeing the UMvC3 comparisons. Capcom WANTED to just release standard DLC but there was that tsunami iirc, don't remember the specifics

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Uhh.. I've come across the strangest Fan-Made roster i've ever seen, with some pretty wild and obscure characters. This is from before Brawl.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080520...nline.com/CharacterPages/characterselect.html

It's intriguing to see what this site got right, despite those right picks being ridiculous back when it was made. The site also has some Stages, an Adventure mode and other things. It's pretty fun to look through. Anything on here you think has shot in a future Smash Game?

That takes me back. Interesting characters that never get mentioned these days but were big in the post-melee era-

• Captain Syrup- Before Wario was a game designer and could at least be bothered to leave the house.
• Rick the Hamster- He was basically Kirby's Yoshi. But everything not made by Sakurai is basically non-canon to Smash Kirby.
• Blaziken and Scizor- They were the popular choices for "cool" Pokemon before Lucario (and blind Gen 1 worship) came along.
• Any F-Zero Racer- We had this idea that all the existing series would be expanded as item went on... Really lucked out there with Lucas, Earthbound.
• Chibi-Robo- He seemed like such a lock. Until they started slapping him on any old rubbish.

Very odd though, that the Black Knight is there but Ike isn't.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I'm thinking Smash Switch will just be a port of Smash 4.

Or at the very least an updated version in some way. But regardless of whether or not it's a sequel, I imagine that all the DLC characters are coming back.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

One idea.

Smash goes the route of Killer instinct and Street Fighter V and becomes free to play.

There's upsides and downsides to it but I'm i the camp of "I want to pay for the game and be done with it.

 

[PsychoJosh]

One idea.

Smash goes the route of Killer instinct and Street Fighter V and becomes free to play.

There's upsides and downsides to it but I'm i the camp of "I want to pay for the game and be done with it.

Street Fighter 5 isn't free to play.

Not yet, at least. It probably will be after Evo because it's doing so horribly.

But in any case, I don't think Nintendo understands free to play in regards to large scale game releases, so I doubt they'll be doing that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Street Fighter 5 isn't free to play.

Not yet, at least. It probably will be after Evo because it's doing so horribly.

But in any case, I don't think Nintendo understands free to play in regards to large scale game releases, so I doubt they'll be doing that.

There's rumours of SFV becoming F2P which Guybrush's referring to

 

[PsychoJosh]

There's rumours of SFV becoming F2P which Guybrush's referring to

Yeah, for sure. I'm confident it will happen. Capcom's getting desperate.

Maybe they wouldn't be in this position if they had bothered to make the game good....

 

[Radical Bones]

I'm starting to think that a port would upset me more than make me hype. I don't really want to buy this game 3 times, and 2-3 characters isn't enough IMO.