Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PsychoJosh]

I'd rather not have Captain N or Nester but that's just me. I know who they are, but I didn't grow up with NP or the show (both ran before I was born), so I've never really gotten the appeal. Then there's the possible ineligibility on top of that.

I was born into the era that allowed me to grow up with them and I don't really get their appeal either. Captain N was a boring and badly written cartoon and Nester was just some silly magazine mascot.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Regarding third parties, If they just take the six they have now, bring back Snake, and add Rayman, I think we'd have it about as perfect as it can get.

Sure, I'd love to see Sora, Shantae, and Sakura Shinguji, but you can't deny you basically have all the realistic big names in gaming with that lineup.

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

 

[Deleted member]

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

What if you don't care? :V Does that count?

 

[PsychoJosh]

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

Rayman isn't a "big name". The Rabbids are the big name, not him, and they aren't even that big. Crash Bandicoot is a bigger name than he is. Whether or not they added Rayman makes no difference to me, but I'd like to see Snake come back.

 

[Luminario]

I know it might be overkill to have a second Final Fantasy rep but what about Black Mage as a fighter? The Black/White Mage outfits are truly ICONIC and unlike Cloud they're integral to Square's history with Nintendo. Black Mage also adds in more magic which is a plus itself.
Or if they really wanted to have fun with all these 3rd Party series in Smash but don't want to add more fighters they could add them as alts to other characters (White Mage cat ears cloak Peach and Black Mage Ashley/Zelda anyone?)

 

[FalKoopa]

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

I don't really care for the 3rd parties besides Sonic, Mega Man, Ryu and Pac-Man. I've been a Nintendo gamer for most of my life.

I think I'd actually take Shovel Knight and Shantae over the rest. :V

 

[Curious Villager]

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

Eh, we can add a whole list to go on and on with that really. I think the current line up is fine as is.

I do find it a bit odd why most people never include the likes of Pikachu, Donkey Kong and Link at least within these lists as I'd assume their just as iconic, if not, moreso than a few of those characters, but I guess that's just me....

 

[PsychoJosh]

I don't really care for the 3rd parties besides Sonic, Mega Man, Ryu and Pac-Man. I've been a Nintendo gamer for most of my life.

I think I'd actually take Shovel Knight and Shantae over the rest. :V

Why is it that "Nintendo purists" can't see past those two overrated indies? Gaming has way more historic characters than that, even if you just go by Nintendo consoles alone.

 

[FalKoopa]

Why is it that "Nintendo purists" can't see past those two overrated indies? Gaming has way more historic characters than that, even if you just go by Nintendo consoles alone.

I mean, I'm obviously only going to care about characters whose games I've played.

Also, before you jump to conclusions and call me a Nintendo purist, let me tell you that I used be among the more vocal "no cuts" people here. And I still stand by it.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I mean, I'm obviously only going to care about characters whose games I've played.

Really? So you've never played anything outside of the franchises represented in Smash and Shantae and Shovel Knight?

Never played Bomberman? Or Mystical Ninja? MGS? Banjo?

Was a Wii U the first console you ever owned? Just asking.

 

[Wolfie557]

Regarding third parties, If they just take the six they have now, bring back Snake, and add Rayman, I think we'd have it about as perfect as it can get.

Sure, I'd love to see Sora, Shantae, and Sakura Shinguji, but you can't deny you basically have all the realistic big names in gaming with that lineup.

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

I do want it. I also want a few more.
maybe 15/16, but realistcally for the next new smash game 12. That's only 4 more than atm.

 

[FalKoopa]

Really? So you've never played anything outside of the franchises represented in Smash and Shantae and Shovel Knight?

Never played Bomberman? Or Mystical Ninja? MGS? Banjo?

Was a Wii U the first console you ever owned? Just asking.

I have played other 3rd party games - Ace Attorney, Prof. Layton, Puyo Puyo, etc. Just not the ones Keyblade listed. I haven't played most of the mainstream 3rd party characters that people generally ask for.

I've played Bomberman. Not the others.

My first console was an NES. Used to play those classic 8-bit games like Duck Hunt and Excitebike.

 

[Curious Villager]

Pretty sure Fal has played various other series not present in Smash, I think what he means is that he doesn't care too much about the ones commonly brought up, which I kind of agree with him. Other than Rayman, Bomberman and maybe Shantae, most third party characters commonly brought up don't really interest me that much either.

I'd probably be more excited to see the likes of Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright and Arle Nadja despite that they aren't really brought up as much when it comes to third parties.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Pretty sure Fal has played various other series not present in Smash, I think what he means is that he doesn't care too much about the ones commonly brought up, which I kind of agree with him. Other than Rayman, Bomberman and maybe Shantae, most third party characters commonly brought up don't really interest me that much either.

I'd probably be more excited to see the likes of Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright and Arle Nadja despite that they aren't really brought up as much when it comes to third parties.

Which is perfect timing since her game comes out tomorrow.

 

[Arcadenik]

The only way I'll accept Captain N in Smash is if he's dressed in gaudy 80s/90s fashion with terrible lingo from those eras, and I mean the cringe-worthy stuff.
To be honest if we ever actually need a character to bring obscure NES titles together though we do still have 9-Volt, so there's that.

Captain N is like that.

As for a character who brings obscure NES titles together, I had an idea where Urban Champion is in Smash but unlike other retro characters who were updated to 3D like Ice Climbers and Duck Hunt, he's still an 8-bit sprite... and he summons 8-bit sprites like Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, and Bubbles from Clu Clu Land to assist him in some moves. It's like the rejected NES characters joined forces to become the NES Remix character.

 

[Opossum]

And the show, which is literally a self-insert into some *******-ized realm of all the game worlds, doesn't?

I never said anything about the cartoon. Though by virtue of being a cartoon and not a piece of literature I'd say it goes in the "generic Saturday morning cartoon" pile instead of the "bad fanfic" pile.

Why is it that "Nintendo purists" can't see past those two overrated indies? Gaming has way more historic characters than that, even if you just go by Nintendo consoles alone.

I mean, I have no interest in Shantae, am not a Nintendo Purist, and I'd love Shovel Knight. I just really like the character, and he's in my top five most wanted third parties (beaten out by Crash, Maxwell, Frogger, and Lara Croft, for me).

 

[Deleted member]

You people say Arle Nadja, I say Dr. Robotnik. :V

 

[Curious Villager]

Which is perfect timing since her game comes out tomorrow.

The game recently caught my interest, especially after I was working on some things and looking through the VG Resource website. I'll be happy to give the new game a shot. ^^

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

You people say Arle Nadja, I say Dr. Robotnik. :V

Snooping as usual I see?

 

[Deleted member]

Snooping as usual I see?

I'll have to give myself a prrrrrrrromotion!

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Eh, we can add a whole list to go on and on with that really. I think the current line up is fine as is.

I do find it a bit odd why most people never include the likes of Pikachu, Donkey Kong and Link at least within these lists as I'd assume their just as iconic, if not, moreso than a few of those characters, but I guess that's just me....

Because those characters are owned by Nintendo...

I'm pointing out how it would look to see all these characters from so many companies under one title. Crossovers aren't a strange thing in Nintendo.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

you know what?.. I was looking for some context or timing to say my 'predictions' for a Smash4 port on the Switch.. but I think I gonna say anyway (sorry for invading the conversation >.>);

I think they're gonna go to the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe route... (by interpretation of some, can be a generous proposal):
- They gonna blender the 3DS and Wii U versions in some regards (all the stages of Wii U, but not all of the 3DS)..
- Smash Run and Tour will be both present..
- All the DLC included (with more content for them, like more Street Fighter and Final Fantasy music, trophies, trophy boxes... custom moves for all the downloadable fighters, etc)
- More random Trophies like from Arms, Snipperclips.. maybe Star Fox Zero and most recent Nintendo titles..
- and the new characters would be either Rayman or Bomberman (for me, both are competing for the same slot now), Inkling and maybe a vetern.. being Wolf.
- Newcomers would have their home stages, and I expect a Breath of the Wild stage as well..

 

[Bowserlick]

How is Earthworm Jim faring these days?

Scorpion would bring the sales. Even if he is Western-based, doesn't everyone like undead ninja's?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Rayman isn't a "big name". The Rabbids are the big name, not him, and they aren't even that big. Crash Bandicoot is a bigger name than he is.

I think that depends actually. I hear over in some European countries he's a pretty big deal. I'm not 100% on that of course but I don't think Crash Bandicoot is any bigger of a name than Rayman especially not in the eyes of Nintendo fans. I mean he could be but over the past decade Crash has kind of dropped in popularity quite a bit. At least Rayman has Origins, Legends, and Adventures. Crash is just now, finally, getting a decent game after years of mistreatment and thus it's really exciting. Again, I'm not 100% but I feel like they're at least on the same level if the scale isn't leaning a bit towards Rayman's side.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

I know it might be overkill to have a second Final Fantasy rep but what about Black Mage as a fighter? The Black/White Mage outfits are truly ICONIC and unlike Cloud they're integral to Square's history with Nintendo. Black Mage also adds in more magic which is a plus itself.

If we're going into a second Final fantasy character, I am going to guess is likely another FF7 character or someone from the Super Nintendo/Super Famicom era. Black Mages and White Mages are indeed iconic character classes and have shown up as nameless characters in Mario Sports Mix on the Wii.

Personally, I think Bartz (my most wanted FF and 3rd party character for a long time) would be an interesting 2nd Final Fantasy character to pick. If I am not mistaken (Please correct me if I am mistaken), the "Job Switching" idea does seem interesting to Sakurai in an interview that Source Gaming has translated. In fact Bartz could use Black Mage stuff since he does switch jobs and that job is one of them.

I'd probably be more excited to see the likes of Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright and Arle Nadja despite that they aren't really brought up as much when it comes to third parties.

As for these guys, I only know about Phoenix Wright. He definitely would be a cool character to see as playable. I don't know much about Layton aside from crossing over with Phoenix Wright and know only Arle Nadja's existence via threads on the boards here and a demo of Puyo Puyo Tetris. I don't know much else on Arle aside from her being Sega property.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think that depends actually. I hear over in some European countries he's a pretty big deal. I'm not 100% on that of course but I don't think Crash Bandicoot is any bigger of a name than Rayman especially not in the eyes of Nintendo fans. I mean he could be but over the past decade Crash has kind of dropped in popularity quite a bit. At least Rayman has Origins, Legends, and Adventures. Crash is just now, finally, getting a decent game after years of mistreatment and thus it's really exciting. Again, I'm not 100% but I feel like they're at least on the same level if the scale isn't leaning a bit towards Rayman's side.

Crash definitely has lost quite a bit of his popularity over the years, but there are still a lot more people who are more familiar with Crash than Rayman. A lot of people still fondly remember him and his early games even though they stopped playing his games after a while.

I would say Pac-Man has lost a lot of his popularity too. There has not been a single Pac-Man game to be anywhere near as successful as the original Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man, yet the character is still the most recognizable video game character along with Mario.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I would say Pac-Man has lost a lot of his popularity too. There has not been a single Pac-Man game to be anywhere near as successful as the original Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man, yet the character is still the most recognizable video game character along with Mario.

Perhaps, but Pac-Man is still a commodity character who is a legend in his own right, people are still playing Pac-Man to this day because it is such a timeless game. I don't think the Pac-Man World games should be expected to be as popular as the original arcade game because they are very specifically made for gamers in mind and not a general audience, which is why they tend to be quite challenging. Also, there is the matter of Pac-Man Championship Edition, which is turning out to be massively popular - although it probably won't come close to eclipsing the popularity of the original Pac-Man, it still shows that he is relevant and timeless. Also, he has an ongoing TV show. So he still is retaining a fair bit of his popularity.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

How is Earthworm Jim faring these days?

Scorpion would bring the sales. Even if he is Western-based, doesn't everyone like undead ninja's?

Earthworm Jim had been dead for a long time with at least one "HD" rerelease of the first game being two console generations ago.

That and he's relatively unknown as a character in Japan unlike a Mortal Kombat character or Crash.

Like the worm headed bloke, but he's too low profile as far as third parties ho.

 

[PsychoJosh]

How is Earthworm Jim faring these days?

Scorpion would bring the sales. Even if he is Western-based, doesn't everyone like undead ninja's?

No. I hate Scorpion.

I have an Earthworm Jim support thread, though.

https://smashboards.com/threads/in-...d-fall-earthworm-jim-for-smash-switch.446912/

 

[Luminario]

Captain N is like that.

As for a character who brings obscure NES titles together, I had an idea where Urban Champion is in Smash but unlike other retro characters who were updated to 3D like Ice Climbers and Duck Hunt, he's still an 8-bit sprite... and he summons 8-bit sprites like Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, and Bubbles from Clu Clu Land to assist him in some moves. It's like the rejected NES characters joined forces to become the NES Remix character.

Oooh an "8-bit strikes back" sorta concept? I like it. Getting Urban Champion or 9-Volt in the game would be a great way to get those Retro characters in there that don't offer enough material on their own to become a fighter by themselves.

If we're going into a second Final fantasy character, I am going to guess is likely another FF7 character or someone from the Super Nintendo/Super Famicom era. Black Mages and White Mages are indeed iconic character classes and have shown up as nameless characters in Mario Sports Mix on the Wii.

Personally, I think Bartz (my most wanted FF and 3rd party character for a long time) would be an interesting 2nd Final Fantasy character to pick. If I am not mistaken (Please correct me if I am mistaken), the "Job Switching" idea does seem interesting to Sakurai in an interview that Source Gaming has translated. In fact Bartz could use Black Mage stuff since he does switch jobs and that job is one of them.

I've always thought that Terra would work as a named FF iconic fighter. FF6 was the last main FF game on Nintendo consoles and magic in the FF world is iconic enough to get a complete focus of a character (Also I am deeply biased towards this queen).
Bartz works very well too though as looking at his Dissidia playstyle he could either switch on the go or go for more of a traditional way of having Job Change be down B or something. If they're going for a specific FF to rep from it should either be Bartz, Terra or I'd say Onion Knight, all playing similarly to DIssidia.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Mario, Sonic, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Ryu, Pac-Man, Cloud Strife, Solid Snake, and Rayman all in one game? Don't tell me you don't want it.

I don't exactly want it, but I wouldn't mind it either.

I'm not a big fan of third-party characters (but I don't want them completely gone either).... I personally think keeping the Smash 4 six, bringing Snake back and adding one newcomer (Bomberman would be my pick) would be enough.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I've always been a big Rayman fan. Rayman 2 for the N64 was one of my all time favorite video games as a kid and I think Rayman Legends is one of the best 2D platformers of the 21st century so far. I would absolutely LOVE it if Rayman was playable in Smash.

That being said I still can't say Rayman is the next best 3rd party option for Smash. His lack of popularity in Japan kills that idea for me.

 

[Argos]

The thing Crash Bandicoot has going for him more than anything else is I think his games are still among the biggest Western-published games in Japan. He's definitely not my first choice (or second, or third, or fourth, or...) but he definitely has some clout. Like, I'm not sure Japanese people in general are even aware that something like Mortal Kombat is a big deal over here (much like your average gamer over here probably doesn't know just how big of a deal Dragon Quest is overseas).

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

I've always thought that Terra would work as a named FF iconic fighter. FF6 was the last main FF game on Nintendo consoles and magic in the FF world is iconic enough to get a complete focus of a character (Also I am deeply biased towards this queen).
Bartz works very well too though as looking at his Dissidia playstyle he could either switch on the go or go for more of a traditional way of having Job Change be down B or something. If they're going for a specific FF to rep from it should either be Bartz, Terra or I'd say Onion Knight, all playing similarly to DIssidia.

Nothing wrong with Terra of FF6. She can work as a spellblade that doesn't involve tomes. Also, she already has a Final Smash already made for her, Riot Blade, as her Desperation Attack (A naming prototype for Limit Breaks, if I am not mistaken) from FF6. I wouldn't mind if she was the second Final Fantasy character. On the chance Sakurai does come back to Smash, I imagine he'd look to Dissidia for Final Fantasy information. But, we got the reboot in arcades and coming for the PS4 that changed Bartz once again to be mostly Job focused focused rather than mimicry of the past titles.

As for Crash and Rayman, I am neutral to these guys. I don't have much to say other than that. As for Dragon Quest, I am aware of its popularity in Japan. I do like the Dragon Quest games and I think Japan video game players would be happy if a Dragon Quest character got into Smash.

 

[Wolfie557]

Dragon Quest doesn't seem like it has any viable character since theres so many. Slime wouldn't do much unless you incorporate moves from all the diff slime types...and still may not be appealing or look great, really.

But it would probbaly be something like Cloud representing all of FF since he's defo the most impactful and well known character.
So as much as I would like the avatar in DQ9, its gonna be that guy from DQ8. Called 'hero' probs idk. Wouldn't be too out of place with names like Villager and Wii Fit Trainer already here.

 

[Argos]

Dragon Quest is definitely in a weird position. I could easily imagine Smash not feeling "complete" over in Japan because of how popular the series is. I'd imagine it's more associated with Nintendo over there than Final Fantasy is over here as well considering FF only blew up here with VII while DQ was a phenomenon from the get-go on the NES. I remember Kojima at some point saying something like "yeah Metal Gear is big but it's not one of the big worldwide franchises like Mario, Pokemon or Dragon Quest," The idea of Dragon Quest not being a phenomenon everywhere is incomprehensible there.

The big problem is just who would represent it? Slime is the mascot but how many people actually want to play as slime? It reminds me of when I was thinking about what made sense for an FF rep before Cloud was announced and thought Black Mage was the best fit. Black Mage was recognizable, more associated with Nintendo than Cloud, represented more than a single game, and seemed to fit into the art direction more. The problem was that it may have fit in some kind of abstract sense, but when it came to who people would be excited to actually play nothing matched up to Cloud. Is there anyone like that for Dragon Quest? I honestly don't know as I never looked much into the series but is there any DQ hero who is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of popularity in Japan? There's still the relative obscurity of the series in the West to overcome even if such a character could be found, it's a super interesting situation.

 

[Wolfie557]

Dragon Quest is definitely in a weird position. I could easily imagine Smash not feeling "complete" over in Japan because of how popular the series is. I'd imagine it's more associated with Nintendo over there than Final Fantasy is over here as well considering FF only blew up here with VII while DQ was a phenomenon from the get-go on the NES. I remember Kojima at some point saying something like "yeah Metal Gear is big but it's not one of the big worldwide franchises like Mario, Pokemon or Dragon Quest," The idea of Dragon Quest not being a phenomenon everywhere is incomprehensible there.

The big problem is just who would represent it? Slime is the mascot but how many people actually want to play as slime? It reminds me of when I was thinking about what made sense for an FF rep before Cloud was announced and thought Black Mage was the best fit. Black Mage was recognizable, more associated with Nintendo than Cloud, represented more than a single game, and seemed to fit into the art direction more. The problem was that it may have fit in some kind of abstract sense, but when it came to who people would be excited to actually play nothing matched up to Cloud. Is there anyone like that for Dragon Quest? I honestly don't know as I never looked much into the series but is there any DQ hero who is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of popularity in Japan? There's still the relative obscurity of the series in the West to overcome even if such a character could be found, it's a super interesting situation.

Don't really know much. Sqaure hasn't been releasing DQ games here and when they finally decided to bring DQ7 & 8 its been too long in the 3DS cycle I lost interest.

They could also go the route of some generic hero, or have different ones as costumes of eachother. Who knows.
This is why I'm not sure if Tomb Raider or Dragon Quest will be next in Smash from Square.

 

[Argos]

OK, I did a bit of cursory research to try and figure out which, if any, Dragon Quest characters are most likely. It's maybe a bit too much work to put into a scenario that has mediocre-at-best chances of succeeding, but my day was free so screw it.

It became pretty clear pretty quickly that there are roughly three major competitors for the Smash slot: Slime, the Hero of DQ VIII, and (spoilers for an almost 30 year old game), Erdrick aka the protagonist of DQ III. You can never rule out that they'd include a character from the upcoming game, but I'm going to set aside that possibility for now.

Slime obviously has the benefit of being the highly-successful mascot, and has also starred in a few games of his own (the three Rocket Slime games for the DS). He was also named the most popular monster in a poll of Japanese fans, but I doubt that was much of a surprise.

The big surprise for me was Erdrick, who I was at best vaguely familiar with before looking up this stuff. Dragon Quest III was massive over in Japan on the Famicom, and has continued to sell well on rerelease, selling the most of any Dragon Quest (including rereleases). Most importantly, in my eyes, he was named Japan's favorite character in the poll mentioned earlier. How this poll tracks with the game-playing public at large is hard to say, but it definitely indicates that he's extremely popular among the kinds of engaged fans who would participate in such a poll. Lastly, he's actually very important lore-wise, serving as a connecting thread between the 3 DQ Famicom games that launched the franchise. If Japanese players are for some reason reluctant to play as Slime I would hesitantly predict Erdrick would be the pick.

The DQ VIII protagonist benefits from a few things, however, that merits giving him another look. Anecdotally, he'd seem to be the most recognizable in the West based on my poor non-Dragon-Quest-Playing self's impressions, he's definitely the character I personally most easily recognize. I doubt that the West is going to drive whatever DQ character is potentially chosen, but you never know if they try to offset the inherently Japan-focused move of a DQ rep by choosing a character not completely obscure in the West. Even if DQ III has sold the most including rereleases, it looks like DQ VIII has sold the most of any single sku of the PS2, and I don't think the source I'm looking at includes the 3DS remake, so it very well may be the most overall by now. The DQ VIII protagonist also scores respectably on the Japanese fan poll I mentioned earlier, 5th of all characters which makes him second among all protagonists.

One thing that puts a damper on all this speculation, however, is that according to SourceGaming's reporting on Japanese response to Smash DLC there really isn't any burning desire to see a DQ character in the game. They mention a lot of caveats in their piece, and there are definitely some things that seem "off" about the list which makes me think Japanese Smash fans might be just as likely to be victim to groupthink on what is 'likely' as those of us overseas, but it's definitely something to pay attention to. No poll, furthermore, can adequately answer the basic question of whether a character seems the "obvious" choice, you really need to ask people on the ground to get a better sense of that. Even if he didn't win every poll (which he didn't!) Cloud was the "obvious" choice for "most iconic Final Fantasy character" even if you didn't like him. Likewise, Erdrick could be just barely more popular among a host of other choices, or another character not even mentioned could be 'iconic' in a way that's difficult to poll.

Sources:
Japanese Dragon Quest Character Survey
Dragon Quest Series Sales
SourceGaming on Japanese Smash Requests
Final Fantasy Male Character Japanese Survey

That was probably too many words for summing up the most basic of research, but I just wanted to get my thoughts down. If I'm off-base or being stupid about any of this just let me know. As I said I knew next to nothing about Dragon Quest (the only significant time I've sunk into a DQ game was Dragon Quest: Monsters on the GBC), so I'll defer to those who know more than me.

 

[Arcadenik]

I would love to see Hero from Dragon Quest 8. That is my favorite Dragon Quest game of all time.

 

[Kirbeh]

Even if not a character, I'd love to see some sort of DQ content in Smash. A stage, some music, maybe Slime as a Smash Run enemy (should that mode or something similar return in the future), or even just as a trophy.