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Cashed

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Cashed is such an Xbox fanboy, jeez. Who cares about sales? Oot is a much better game than halo, halo 2, or any future halo game. WHy? The real question is Why wouldnt it be?
Lol. Who cares about sales? The people who were talking about how Twilight Princess is going to outsell the Halo games.

And to answer your question, Halo 2 is a better game because it offers replay value. Replay value is huge to me. If a game doesn't have online multiplayer in some form, I'm not buying it, it's a waste of money (Occasional exceptions, such as Oblivion... which I ended up selling). Ever since I bought an Xbox I've bought games using this method of selection and it makes me feel as though I'm getting the most for my money.
 

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Cashed....you just said that you prefer Halo 2 over Zelda on a forum of people who own Gamecubes, meaning they're probably Nintendo fanboys.

I imagine a mutiny coming up, or at absolute least a beheading.

I've actually become more of a solo gamer, recently. Online's cool and all, but it's not necessary. I honestly would rather play Zelda alone then play most multiplayer games, because I can be leisurely about it.

If I play with others, it becomes a bloodbath, with people screaming about how someone cheats or how they lagged or how you hack or one of the hundred other things that leave the loser without any disgrace.

No thanks. I have forums for immature kids. I'll take my Zelda now, thanks.
 

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Cashed....you just said that you prefer Halo 2 over Zelda on a forum of people who own Gamecubes, meaning they're probably Nintendo fanboys.
Yes, and my answer should surprise no one. When I'm playing single player games, not talking to another soul, I feel totally anti-social and get bored very easily. When I'm playing multiplayer games on Xbox Live with my friends, I feel like I'm being social and that boredom doesn't hit me. The key to playing online is make sure you play with atleast a friend or two. If you don't, you're going to have games with annoying people like you described.
 

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You can't compare Zelda to Halo, or just single player games to multiplayer games. They are completely different. You can say you like multiplayer games better than single player games, and of course you can say you like Halo better than Zelda. But I don't think you can really say Halo is better because it has replay value (although it's perfectly fine to say you like it better because of replay value, that's just opinion), because it's comparing apples to oranges. Zelda OoT isn't supposed to be multiplayer; it's a single player adventure and it's very good for what it is. Multiplayer games are supposed to be replayed, where as single player games are only meant to be played through once (or a few times if it's good, heh) trying to deliver the best experience in that playthrough possible, like watching a movie. Most movies you only watch once, but the good ones you can watch over and over, like Star Wars or something awesome.

So the only way you can really compare Halo to Zelda directly is by comparing Halo's campaign mode. And uh...alright Halo's really good and even though the campaign isn't the full focus of the game it's pretty good, but Ocarina of Time? Yeah, no. Halo is a very good multiplayer game though, and I don't have a problem with anyone who says they prefer the multiplayer of Halo over the single player of Zelda. It's apples and oranges, and people are just going to have different opinions, even though you can't directly compare them. And that goes for comparing all single player and multiplayer games to each other. The only other way to directly compare them is to say which game overral just had more effort put into it, or something. Like maybe I could program some crappy multiplayer game and say "well you can't say Zelda is better cause they're different." Obviously that's where you would compare the games differently, because Zelda is obviously overall way way way better.
 

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I hate the expression "Apples to oranges"... You can compare apples to oranges. Apples kick oranges ***, now shut up. More relevantly, if Cashed likes playing multiplayer games more than he likes playing single player games, then Halo is better than Zelda... to Cashed. I personally prefer Zelda to Halo, despite my affinity for multiplayer games because I've never seen Halo as a great game. CounterStrike pwns it.
 

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More relevantly, if Cashed likes playing multiplayer games more than he likes playing single player games, then Halo is better than Zelda... to Cashed.
This is actually kind of exactly what I said. I dunno if Cashed was just joking because it seems weird to just say you disagree, but I said I completely respect his opinion that Halo is better than Zelda. And this is for just general multiplayer vs. single player. You can't just say one of them is better. People will always have their opinions of which types of games are better, and it's stupid not to respect everyone's opinion of that matter (in my opinion(lol)).

People who prefer multiplayer games have their reasons to value them over the other, and vice versa. It's not even really a matter of which is better, they are both different. And yes, literally, you can say apples are better than oranges but the point of the expression is to say you just can't compare the two. Zelda is a single player game that's main focus is NOT the replay value (even though it's very high for a single player game) and its strengths are in different areas than multiplayer games.

So I think it's kind of weird when people say "this multiplayer game is better than that single player game (or every single player game) because it has higher replay value." Someone else could then say something like "Yeah, well the single player game has a better storyline and has a bigger impact on the first playthrough." And that is an example of how different they are: you don't even play through a multiplayer game, it's not the same at all. You have to take a step back and see that they have different strengths, they play on different terms. Neither is better, they're different. It's like comparing laptops to desktops. Desktops' strength is in that you get more power for what you are paying, and laptops' advantage is that they are smaller, portable, dont need an external moniter and stuff. Neither is better, it's just for different people the pros and cons weigh differently. Someone might want as much power they can get, or not have to move their computer, so they might value the pro's of the desktop better. Someone who goes to LAN parties all the time and has the extra cash to spend a little extra on a laptop than they would have had to spend on a desktop with the same power would probably value the pro's of the laptop better. Neither is better, they are different, and so each has situations where it is better and worse than the other.


Anyways, has anyone seen the new South Park episode about the Wii? Really good.
 

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1. Cashed likes Halo over Zelda? ZOMG U r teh loser Zelda > ur mom haha

2. Any chance that South Park Episode's on Youtube?
 

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The South Park episode about the Wii is on youtube...just do a search "south park Wii" and sort by date added. It was the second on the list if I remember. Watch it fast though...it'll be deleted soon because of copyright infringement debacle with Comedy Central.
 

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Yea, even though the guys who make South Park don't mind.

Anyways, things are starting to heat up, and it'll only get worse this weekend when that Zelda info gets unleashed everywhere...

I'm sad, though, I was totally stoked for Super Mario Bros. on teh Virtual Console, right?
I've double-checked the list, though, it's just Mario Bros., not Super Mario Bros...
It baffles me why Super Mario Bros. would not be on the Virtual Console by year's end, nor Mario World (wasn't that playable at E3?).

Then again, I'm still hung up on the prospect of not having a Wii during Thanksgiving, sooo...
 

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If I remember correctly, Super Mario Bros and Super Mario World on the VC will be available for the Japanese Wii release, which is in December. Argh, the Japanese get lucky once again, but it's probably to make up for the later Japanese release. But the fact that Japan will get these does mean it'll be available in the US...I'm guessing around Jan or Feb?
 

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Yea, they also get the DVD-functional Wii later next year, AND the Wiimote-packaged in game for $50...

Of course, I really think Nintendo is treating the markets different because they ARE different.
I think they're really pushing to win over Japan first, and if they succeed, I'm sure they'll focus more energy into America afterward.
 

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I never heard anything about bugs. Either way, from all reports it has been improved hugely since E3, and is definitely worth buying IMO if you don't want to wait for MP3 in 2007.
 

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Does anyone have news on the gameplay of Red Steel? Last I heard it was buggy, to say the least. Worth buying immediatly or wait 'til Christmas?
Everything I've read about it says that it's not buggy, but that the Wiimotes can be quirky - For instance, one person interviewed at E3 said that when he stepped up to play a game, the controller seemed to be messed up until one of the people working at a booth told him to take a couple steps forward. Also, you don't point the Wiimote at the screen itself, but at the sensor bar - wherever that is.
 

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What I've read about Red Steel is basically saying that the controls aren't tight. From what I've heard, the controls (especially with swords) aren't done very well, as if they weren't finished.

I'm waiting til Xmas. I mean....you have Zelda. That'll last you a while.
 

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Wow, what a mature and productive post.
Go you.

Anyways, what about that new Super Smash Bros. Trailer, eh?
Game's lookin' pretty good so far.
A more serious tone to it, while still maintaining some light-hearted-ness.

I'm starting to think either they're farther along than they're leading us to believe or they need to go a long ways still.

I expect spring will be Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy,and SSB:B won't show up unti; next fall.
 

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For those of you awake during the show, a picture of fox surfaced before the trailer did. It has fox on pit's stage, and the picture is cropped so only pit's wing sticks into the picture.

That picture isn't in the trailer, so where did it come from? Was there a secret showing somewhere?
 

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For those of you awake during the show, a picture of fox surfaced before the trailer did. It has fox on pit's stage, and the picture is cropped so only pit's wing sticks into the picture.

That picture isn't in the trailer, so where did it come from? Was there a secret showing somewhere?
I believe its from a handout at the event, I'm not sure though.

Anyway the Wii just keeps on looking better and better. People need to post their Wii setup as soon as they get it ;)
 

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^^^

Day one, baby.

And I imagine that they're far enough into Brawl to make it look good. I doubt it's seriously playable at this point, but it is a nice type of eye candy.

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.
 

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LOL.
Yes, Chill, thank you for pointing that contradicting statement out. =P

What I meant was, either they're WAY behind, or they're farther ahead than we think.
Somehow it just seems that way to me, can't say why.
But I'm doubting about a release in Spring or Summer next year, knowing Nintendo, they'll drag it out to Christmas.

Also:
http://www.thewiire.com/news/545/1/Nintendo_Details_Virtual_Console

Apparently, you can use a GCN controller instead of Virtual Console controller to play Virtual Console games.
I really hope there's some type of controller-config option in the Virtual Console, but if that's true, that alone encourages me to want Virtual Console games because I won't need to buy extra controllers.

Now where, oh where, is Super Mario Bros. 1??
 

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I know this question probably sounds stupid but do you guys think they might put old game boy games on the VC? Also, are they gonna be adding new features to some games on the VC like giving smash64 online, etc? Man does LoZ: TP looks awesome. That will most likely be the First Wii title I will buy (VC games not included).
 

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I think that they will be adding new features to old games, but not for the launch VC titles.

I would be shocked if Smash64 didn't come with some type of online component.

And I hadn't even thought about GBA or GB games....interesting.

Nice find on the Wiire, though. Hopefully things'll come out ok.
 

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I agree also, there will be a very small contigent of diehards (read: trolls), if any, who would actually want SSB online over SSBB online.
 

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is anybody camping out to get a wii? i'm going friday afternoon and best buy is gonna open at 10 o clock, i think thats pretty good cuz the guy said for halo 2 ppl stayed from lunchtime the day before and were able to get one. anybody have any suggestions for camping out, has anyone done it before?
 

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You do know that the Wii is coming out on Nov. 19, which is on a sunday, which would be like two weeks (or 15 days if you count today) worth of waiting. You better have a lot of food, a tent, and hopefully a working toliet if you are gonna be waiting on this Friday. Good thing I am not camping.
 

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Only idiots camp. The smart people hide out in the clothes rack the night before. You're gauranteed to be the first person in the store.
 

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You do know that the Wii is coming out on Nov. 19, which is on a sunday, which would be like two weeks (or 15 days if you count today) worth of waiting. You better have a lot of food, a tent, and hopefully a working toliet if you are gonna be waiting on this Friday. Good thing I am not camping.

You do realize he didn't say THIS Friday? As in , he's camping on the friday two weeks from now? Course, that's still pretty stupid, since he's then spending 24 hours in front of a store. Getting there early in the morning(like 5 to 6) should be good enough.
 

Dark Yoshi77

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is anybody camping out to get a wii? i'm going friday afternoon and best buy is gonna open at 10 o clock, i think thats pretty good cuz the guy said for halo 2 ppl stayed from lunchtime the day before and were able to get one. anybody have any suggestions for camping out, has anyone done it before?
I camped out at Toysrus last Sunday for a preorder. Went there at 2 a.m. and I was number 11 out of 20.

Since Toysrus opens at the same time as your best buy if you get there by 2 you shouldn't have any trouble getting a wii.
 
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