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I'm not sure when KO Punch's windbox suddenly blew you down and under the stage, toward Mac.
Implying KO punch doesn't have **** physics with jigglypuff
Uh, no she doesn't. I've found zero evidence of this, in fact, she didn't even have it in Brawl.
... That's still a completely normal windbox effect. Instead of being one where the victim is being pulled down and towards Mac as you claim.
I said "real match" right?
What do you think is the optimal move set overall with SF?How do you way your setup in accordance with matchup?You seem to be the only one in the thread who plays swordfighter apart from me so I'd really like your thoughts on this.
Well, maybe not -exactly,- but we try hard.
Wind boxes that push down and away?!
[better Hitboxes, weight][Ground speed][Tilts, default specials][SPEED][Charge shot in midair, better missiles and grab][Better Phantom + Dins or approach][Better hitboxes][less landing lag][Less end lag][Kill power][Anything to make her worth playing over Marth or Roy][Old Side B][Helicopter kick] [Heavy skull?][F smash] [Needles, fair][Less Luma health, uair nerf, maybe custom star bit akin to Falco's laser]
Well technically we got two speedy,offensive,loudmouthed,hotblooded men in this game cept this guy uses a swordWe already got a speedy,offensive,loudmouthed,hotblooded man in this game.
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Despite being her single biggest strength, Luma can also be a surprisingly large liability. There's the obvious case of high-hitlag moves like Wario Waft getting extended even if Rosalina properly dodges, making such moves extremely dangerous for her. But there's also the issue of Luma being unable to shield, like you said. There are a few moves that "burst" on hit but not on shield, like Ness's PK Fire, that suddenly become harder to punish when they hit Luma and activate anyway. Explosives like Crash Bomber similarly do a number on Luma since they detonate on contact, whereas they normally bounce off of shields. (I think. I know shielding Crash Bomber is an option at least.)
Tether grabs aren't all bad.
Ha that's what she said
213x is my go to set
-lite plus a projectile.
better yet can we stop suggesting buffs and nerfs?!
Dude don't spread false information >.>
IMO right now, only top tier nerf needed is some kind of sheik needle nerd, personally I'd like to see the range on those needles nerfed, don't like how they excert pressure from so goddamn far away
Other than that I think what the game needs is some buffs for the low-tiers, like the goddess, give Palutena super speed in default and she'd be good to go, Zelda needs some major changes, Samus needs a fastfall and less lag on missiles. It'd be great if we could have the low tiers also be veritable mid tiers like the majority of the cast.
It would also help if you explained how it can be acted out of.
Please stop constantly using different forms of "its only my opinion I don't know for sure" as an excuse for not not knowing what you're talking about. Saying "it seems like you can't escape that combo" strongly implies you can't, its not a false statement, but it is a false implication, implications are still information, thus it is false information.
I think it's a mistake, for the most part. I don't think any characters besides Sheik/Rosalina need to be toned down, allowing that HSB would make Pikachu pretty dominant unless it was also adjusted (or banned). The ideal power level as far as I'm concerned is A-tier, with characters like Mario and Falcon.
hypersonicJD
you may be the type who feels the need to be vocal in a conversation, but I think it would be of benefit to yourself if you tended towards lurking so you can learn things. You know by now that this isn't a social thread to throw out notions from random pondering (there are tons you could do this in and get the responses you want to boot, so why here?), which aren't of strategic relevance. "Wow that was an interesting hard read" is the extent one can really work with that situation.
Ideally they're supposed to cover the weaknesses of your main/s. Another alternative is to pick a pocket that's specially for one or two matchups that you struggle with. If you're a lower level player though, it's really just who you enjoy playing as and who you feel competent with.
Since customs likely won't be a thing again for at least a year after EVO she really does need a buff, else she's one of those few characters who really really suck. Everyone should get to be a mid tier. Sure some are always going to be worse than others, but everyone should fit into mid tier in terms of viability anyway imo.Speaking only for the characters I know wellish:
- Remove the infinite Lightweight glitch. It's by no means broken but it's bad from a design perspective. One of the things I despise about UMvC3 is how poorly designed install supers are. I thought Smash 4 had finally implemented the concept well (a powered-up state that actually had tangible drawbacks dissuading liberal use). But in practice, a 70% dthrow to uair means that she gets to postpone the negative consequences of activation, potentially doing so indefinitely if she can put her opponent in a bad position quickly enough. It allows momentum to snowball which is mechanically unsound, especially when coupled with rage.
- I would like to see her tilts reworked, but I don't think they can be changed liberally without further nerfs to Super Speed and Lightweight. She kind of has to have mediocre normals if those moves are to remain relatively untouched. In the interest of not asking for a complete design overhaul which could potentially make things worse, I'm going to assume that not much should change. The only tilt that is worthless at this point in time is ftilt. Dtilt actually finishes in 41 frames which is laggy but still occasionally useable. Utilt is laggy as balls but has an important niche as a more reliable kill confirm off of jab at high-% with a bit of rage. Her ftilt does 6%, is still slow as sin, and takes over a second to complete. Whiffing it is basically asking to eat a charged smash to the face. I'd like to see the endlag reduced significantly or the damage doubled to 12%. The latter suggestion might sound like overkill, but if you're putting yourself on the line with such an awful move you deserve good reward. For some perspective, Falcon can noncommittally bair you for 14%, and if that's remotely acceptable I guarantee it's not too much.
Tbh the side specials are all about the same in usefulness so any is good choiceIMO right now, only top tier nerf needed is some kind of sheik needle nerd, personally I'd like to see the range on those needles nerfed, don't like how they excert pressure from so goddamn far away
Anyway about Swordie's moveset, I agree on Shuriken of Light, it's just a great and simple move. Don't really see how you could prefer any of the others.
I prefer slash launcher for the side special, it's faster than airborne assault on start if you release early, thus you can use it to recover horizontally without giving the opponent a chance to telegraph and punish if the distance is small, if you need to charge it, well it's still faster than aerial assault. It deals less damage for sure, thus its more viable for the opponent to jump out and take the hit in order to cause swordie to fall to his death, but its also harder to do so because of its speed and the way you can time your release, plus if the opponent does take the hit to cause an SD you don't fall backwards a small distance like you do with aerial assault, also makin it harder to gimp. Lastly, its more useful as an attack than aerial assault, I find there are actually times when I can land it or use it to extent combos. I just feel that overall slash launcher is slightly better.
I agree whole heartedly on hero's spin, it's just way way better than the others, I used to go with the back in the stone thingy or whatever its called, once I switched I realized I was being ******** using that mediocre attack. It really is a great kill option too, means you never have to use the crappy dsmash, the fact that it hits instantly on both sides.. combined with the sheer power of it.. its just yummy yum and way outshines the other options.
As for down special.. I dunno, I prefer counter I think, its neat for punishing holes in combos and deadly if you make a read on high percents. But I do like how power thrust can punish opponents eager to juggle and how it acts as a faster (not initially but it reaches further away faster than dash attack) and longer ranged dash attack. I find that it, similarly to counter can be used once to thrice a game before it gets predictable. Reflect is good for some matchups of course, but I only pick it against opponents with strong chargeable projectiles.
Can you really afford to sacrifice horizontal recovery for another projectile? I suppose since you think that it has to be a stronger move than I think. If you care to elaborate on it a little that'd be really appreciated.
90% of the time your main mode of recovery is Hero's spin that move will not let you down (unless your opponent spikes you) so the recovery benefits of AA and SL are about as even as Chakram's pseudo anti air and other gimmick set ups
I'd have to question if he does, though.
