Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[BrawlX10]

The fact that tomorrow we might have a bunch of completely new characters to speculate about is interesting. (Obviously as DLC) At very least, if they don't anounce anything Smash-related, there's a good chance we'll have new characters to talk about. I wonder if we'll have another Spring Man and Rex situation.

 

[Dukefire]

The fact that tomorrow we might have a bunch of completely new characters to speculate about is interesting. (Obviously as DLC) At very least, if they don't anounce anything Smash-related, there's a good chance we'll have new characters to talk about. I wonder if we'll have another Spring Man and Rex situation.

That's a possibility since the game is either editing or bringing a new fresh roster coat.

 

[NintenRob]

I think I'm most curious about what we'll see from Zelda. Like I can't imagine Nintendo doing a console reveal without some sort of Zelda, especially after Breath of the Wild proved to be a massively successful launch title, like I honestly think Switch owes a lot of it's success to that game.

But obviously, it's too soon for a big 3D Zelda, heck it's probably too soon for a 2D Zelda. Like, I wonder if there's some team out there Nintendo has secretly working on Zelda, and I don't think the Wii U remasters will cut it.

I wonder if we could see Hyrule Warriors though

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My prediction: We will see the Nintendo Switch 2.

 

[Will]

My prediction: We will see the Nintendo Switch 2.

No ****ing way. Get real.

 

[Undella2]

My prediction: We will see the Nintendo Switch 2.

I think we'll see the nintendo switch 2, too. Maybe even two models or color options of them, to give folks more options on what to buy.

 

[BrawlX10]

I think I'm most curious about what we'll see from Zelda. Like I can't imagine Nintendo doing a console reveal without some sort of Zelda, especially after Breath of the Wild proved to be a massively successful launch title, like I honestly think Switch owes a lot of it's success to that game.

But obviously, it's too soon for a big 3D Zelda, heck it's probably too soon for a 2D Zelda. Like, I wonder if there's some team out there Nintendo has secretly working on Zelda, and I don't think the Wii U remasters will cut it.

I wonder if we could see Hyrule Warriors though

The zelda content will not be a game, it will be Zelda getting it's first newcomer in 17 years in the next smash game, in the form of Sidon. Well i guess Hyrule Warriors 3 is possible too.
Don't quote me tomorrow if i somehow predicted this lol.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I think what I'm most interested in in regards to tomorrow and beyond is what exactly they meant by "the Nintendo Today app will have Switch 2 news on it every day starting on the 2nd" or whatever the exact quote was when they said that at the end of last week's Direct.

It's the whole reason I downloaded the app, but like what do they mean "every day"? Like up to a certain point since I imagine at first they'll recycle what they talk about tomorrow, or are we talking like brand-new in-depth info beyond that?

 

[Master_Scorpion]

1. An iconic character with a long history in video games.

End of list.

Simon Belmont.


Followup question: Who would you vote for today?

Me? Ryu Hayabusa.

Master Chief

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Followup question: Who would you vote for today?

Me? Ryu Hayabusa.

Assuming multiple votes would be allowed, Tetra, Skull Kid, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, Funky Kong, Bandana Dee, Doc Louis, Waluigi, Kamek, Oatchi, Shovel Knight, Heavy and Spyro would be my top picks.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Does your personal affinity for the character factor in at all or is it just legacy?

I'm sure personal affinity effects the exact ordering of my wishlist, but it's secondary.

For example I actively dislike the modern Ninja Gaiden game. But he was an iconic NES character, who had a successful revival generations later, and continues to be relevant. He deserves that top spot.

Assuming multiple votes would be allowed

No. The only way to get multiple votes in the original poll was to cheat.

I wish I had known you could vote for multiple characters.

You weren't supposed to.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm sure personal affinity effects the exact ordering of my wishlist, but it's secondary.

For example I actively dislike the modern Ninja Gaiden game. But he was an iconic NES character, who had a successful revival generations later, and continues to be relevant. He deserves that top spot.

No. The only way to get multiple votes in the original poll was to cheat.

I honestly didn't remember after how long it's been, so my vote then would be for Tetra.

...And also Bandana Dee.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I still wonder why I haven't done the same yet…

I'm keeping the account even though I don't use the site anymore because I don't want someone taking the name.

 

[Shinuto]

Newcomer List:

Shantae: 60%
Dante: 70%
Meowscarada: 90%
Crash: 40%
Sans: 80%
Agumon: 30%
Zero (Megaman): 50%
2B: 72%
Rayman: 45%
Master Chief: 43%
Reimu: 44%
Shovel Knight: 55%
Mio: 95%
Noah: 95%
Shadow: 86%
Lloyd: 65%
Doom Slayer: 75%
Waluigi: 66%
Geno: 73%

 

[BrawlX10]

How would you feel if Colored Pencils from Origami King was a boss in Smash 6?

 

[Shinuto]

How would you feel if Colored Pencils from Origami King was a boss in Smash 6?View attachment 400853

never ever speak of it again

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

How would you feel if Colored Pencils from Origami King was a boss in Smash 6?View attachment 400853

Could be a fun puzzle boss or something.

 

[SharkLord]

A quick bingo before the direct tomorrow. I doubt I'll get the full square, but we're looking at a pretty big direct tomorrow. Let's see how it turns out.

 

[BrawlX10]

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A quick bingo before the direct tomorrow. I doubt I'll get the full square, but we're looking at a pretty big direct tomorrow. Let's see how it turns out.

I hope DQ12 is shown honestly, it's been 8 years since DQ11, Like Crash would say, it's about time.

 

[BritishGuy54]

I dunno how good this bingo table of mine is.

 

[Undella2]

The presentation's at 6:00 in the morning for me... and it's nearing midnight currently, and I have no work tomorrow. I'm quite tempted to just stay up all night to watch it live, haha.

(I don't wake up early in the morning easily)

 

[WeirdChillFever]

How would you feel if Colored Pencils from Origami King was a boss in Smash 6?View attachment 400853

Would be a bummer to deconfirm one of the most iconic characters in the series like that but I guess something’s better than nothing

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

I see we're posting Bingos?

Probably a way too ambitious board but what the heck if there's any time for Nintendo to go big this is that time

 

[smashkirby]

I feel like they'd still make a Dojo since they have for the last three games to have a dedicated spot for this kind of stuff, but any announcements on the Dojo would also get posted to Nintendo Today, since it is Nintendo news related.

If they do Pic of the Day again, that could also go up on there, since Nintendo Today also has things like Character profiles and little New Horizons comics featuring the Nooks.

Oh, I'm sure they would. I just wondered how they'd handle Smash updates on Nintendo Today, because I imagine they wouldn't want such news to potentially get lost in the shuffle of the app, if that makes sense.

Speaking of Pilotwings, I'm hoping they not only bring back the PW64 characters if they do a revival, but also do renditions of music from both the original SNES game and 64.

In fact, I'm also kind of hoping that the musical style will be similar to 70s/80s funk music, like 64.

You and me both... you know, I wonder if Nintendo would be willing to call Dan Hess back for such an event or if they'd just get Soyo Oka (the composer for the OG game on Super Nintendo).

Aside from that though? I think a Pilotwings game with the cast of PW64 could lend itself to a minor story that sort of calls back to the OG game where the player had to infiltrate the E.V.I.L. syndicate's lair. I mean, Mecha-Hawk had to come from SOMEWHERE, right?

Oh, man... speaking of whom, you all know how Smash Bros. usually has a "WTF character"? Well, Mecha-Hawk would make for an interesting WTF boss character in Smash 6!

If unlockable characters somehow return at brawl/melee's amount....what characters do you feel are likely to be unlockable?
If these veterans return, i think they could be unlockable, maybe: , , , , .

Speaking of unlockables... a while back I remember us having a convo about how EiH limited the creative ways that characters could be unlocked in Smash Ultimate, and I mentioned how it would have been nice if Ultimate's base-game roster of newcomers (Inkling, Princess Daisy, Ridley, etc.) could have been given the 'unique unlock methods'.

Well, what do you all think such unlock methods could have been for Smash Ultimate's base-game newcomers, if Ultimate did what I suggested?
For example...

- Use every shooting-type item in the game and successfully land a hit an opponent at least once.
- Finish Classic on 5.5 difficulty or higher with .
- Finish Classic on 8.0 difficulty or higher with Samus.

And so on and so forth.

Tbh, i wouldn't count Rathalos out as the MH rep. We never had a "giant" character before in Smash (think of iron giant in MVs), i could see Sakurai giving the concept of a giant fighter a try and Rathalos seems like a good candidate for it.

Still holding out for Doshin/Jashin...

Huh. I guess it would make sense that it only effects E(10+) rated games, and brought them up to T rather than M. It at least feels more reasonable. The main question then would be is Smash E10+ by mandate or just because that's where it shook out?


There was the aforementioned fact that E10+ didn't exist yet, but for Brawl, my guess would be Zero Suit Samus. Particularly the cutscene where the camera does close ups on her while she drops from a vent.

The rating is really vague and not helpful but it only specifically points to "Cartoon Violence" and "Crude Humor" for some reason lol

Did see people in a Reddit thread guessing ZSS cutscene, Master Hand's red wounds after freeing himself of Tabuu's chains, Snake's weapons (though that seemingly didn't affect Ultimate so I doubt it's that)...

Odd. I could have sworn it also had "Suggestive Themes", but I guess it doesn't. Maybe I'm thinking of SSB4. Ultimate probably has it too because Bayo.

Also, "Crude Humor" is most definitely caused by Wario.

Yeah, Smash 4 is E10+ for Cartoon Violence, Comic Mischief, and Mild Suggestive Themes, and Ultimate drops the Mild for just straight up Suggestive Themes.

And I would think so too with Wario, but that bit of the rating never comes up again, despite Wario being a mainstay, so I have no clue lmao

EDIT: I read the full rating explanation, and it actually does specifically single out Wario at the end of Ultimate's saying "One character emits flatulence gas clouds to attack opponents", so it actually probably is him after reading him get singled out lmao

Maybe they just changed him from Crude Humor to Comic Mischief?

If I remember correctly, Z.S.S. had some... gratitoius close-ups in Subspace and in terms of Crude Humor... correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from Wario farting in general... didn't the Wario Waft have a more "realistic" vibe to it? Like, I remember the Waft looking more cartoonish by Smash 4.

Now thinking about it, do you think spirits will stick around or will be changed into another collectable version other than trophies?

I don't expect Spirits to return. They're tied to Ultimate's WOL story mode, and I doubt we'll get WOL2.

You know, Spirits returning has been on my mind for a while now, and... yeah, I don't think I see them coming back. Something about them feels too "tied" to WoL and the whole 'Galeem killed everyone' thing.

Yeah giving the Miis some Pilotwings-related moves is more like the "at least it's better than nothing" option, certainly not a way to replace what a full Pilotwings character would bring. I think the OCs from Pilotwings are really cool, even the named instructors from the SNES Pilotwings as well (although the 64 ones have more characterization). I also think their cases would be stronger if at least some of the crew was kept consistent across the games. But it'd just be nice if we could be more confident that Nintendo would consider actually re-using some of these OCs in a future game. Seems like a lot of things are moving into the faceless avatar / self-insert route these days, which your opinion may vary on but is a whole other can of worms to discuss.

I think Nintendo likes Chibi-Robo, and I doubt Sakurai would struggle to give him a creative moveset. He just hasn't been commercially successful enough to seem likely. In a way, that's what a lot of these series have tended to struggle with, having some of the qualities that a likely character might have but other areas where they falter.

And yeah Wars has a lot of history and a strong number of releases, and has typically done very well critically. The moveset potential is something I think is very attractive (I got to get around to fleshing out more of the details on my Andy moveset). Being less popular in the East would potentially not be such a huge roadblock if its success or notoriety in the West were big enough. But again it comes down to likely not being commercially successful enough even in the West to really stick out. It's just a shame the Reboot Camp didn't go exactly as planned, with all of the delays and, in my opinion, some flaws that make it a downgrade from the originals in some respects. Feels like a big missed opportunity to fully take advantage of the massive Switch install base, and not entirely anybody's fault, either. While I also think it's good Nintendo found a developer in WayForward that might be willing to make an AW game again if IS is tied down with FE et al., at the same time I think some fans are skeptical of WayForward perhaps being too far out of their comfort zone in the TBS genre. But, the big positive is they did actually try again on Advance Wars after a long period of nothing, and there is a potential developer. I just hope that, taking into account all the issues with the delays, the remake did just well enough to inspire another go at an actual new game. Since Reboot Camp is recent enough, AW feels more likely to fully come back than a lot of other series, and if it does with a successful new game then it could quickly become much more likely for more Smash content.

Oogh... I know there are folks who would like for the Miis to borrow from games that they star in (i.e. Wii Sports, etc.), but PLEASE do NOT let Nintendo go the cheap route on a Pilotwings character.

You know, I actually held a poll on the Pilotwings for Smash thread asking what PW character would people like to see in Smash and the 'Mii with Pilowings gear' option was (thankfully), hands-down, the lowest-rated option. Even the player character from the OG SNES game got more votes than that option.

In regards to Chibi-Robo, I'm actually someone who genuinely supports the little guy and still stands by the idea that he should have been Smash 4's first-party DLC newcomer instead of Corrin, honestly.
Not saying that Sakurai will do this (I don't think he even knows of the game's existence), but SSF2 at least has its own proof-of-concept that Chibi-Robo could definitely fit in Smash Bros. with little issue. In fact, the only move I don't see carrying over to official Smash is Pick-Up (his version of the A.C. characters' Pocket special).

I'm not decrying it or anything. If Sakurai is willing to use that move, I'd welcome it. Heck, it'll most likely not be as glitchy in Smash Bros. compared to Smash Flash.

As for Wars... hoo, boy. I won't lie, I have some hope that Sakurai is (at the very least) AWARE of Re-Boot Camp's existence and given his gamer background, perhaps he's even played it himself. I'll say this much, if we don't get Andy and/or Sami as a playable character, the Orange Star Army returning as ATs would at least show me that Sakurai hasn't totally discared those guys from Smash's legacy.

I know Andy, Eagle, and Olaf got Spirits in Smash Ultimate without the Orange Star Army AT, but Re-Boot Camp being a thing NOW would tell me a bit more about how Sakurai (and Nintendo) look at Wars at the moment.

Is it a bad take that I think this is where third party representation in Smash peaked?View attachment 400843

Ngl, while I do have a fairly sizable list of 3rd parties I'd like to see in Smash... had THIS been the only 3rd party representation for Smash 4, I would have called this the perfect cap-off to the concept of 3rd parties in the series, honestly.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

A new Zelda game feels like the game that will be teased as coming to the Switch 2 but nothing other than that.

BOTW and TOTK will probably still be used as enhanced games on Switch 2.

 

[dezeray112]

10 years ago, the Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot was announced (alongside the return of Lucas, my booboo bear, as DLC)

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Who did you vote for? And do you feel old yet?

I voted for Fiora of Xenoblade Chronicles at the time.

Followup question: Who would you vote for today?

Me? Ryu Hayabusa.

Hmm.....that is a great question and a tough one at the same time as there are plenty of characters I'd vote today.

But I would probably opt for the likes of Chun-Li, Rock Howard, Mai Shiranui, Ryu Hayabusa, either King or Lili, Akira Yuki, Sol Badguy, Tidus, Monokuma as my choices for third party votes.

If it is first party, I'd opt for someone from the F-Zero franchise between the likes of Samurai Goroh, Black Shadow, Mighty Gazelle etc.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Not too sure what to hope from the Switch 2 Direct outside of hearing full specs on the console's performance, updated network architecture all around and possibly more better customizability in the main menu + UI.

Though again, an Odyssey 2 that would cut back on quantity on Moons would be a nice start incase a new 3D Mario isn't gonna pop off instantly in our vicinity. I still want that coveted Galaxy 2-treatment.

On that end, that one invite-only playtest that was done on Switch some months back... I'm curious on if we'll see it showing up in full form in this Direct.

Soon 3 hours remaining~

 

[fogbadge]

the tension is killing me

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The implications of today's events are going to shift a lot of discussion on Smashboards so if nothing else a lot of us may have to get used to how much debate and speculation will be dominated by some very specific subjects.

That's right, the Croc remaster that's now out today will undoubtedly lead to much talk about characters, stages, and spirits so get ready.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

3 Hours left. Any Last minute Predictions?

Realistic Predictions/Expectations:
$400-600 Console Price
All Switch 2 editions games will be $70-80
Mario Kart
Sakurai's Secret Project
The Playtest Game
Anything Kirby
A new IP
Arms 2
Metroid Prime 4 launch release date with the Switch 2
Feeling lucky but Donkey Kong



Unrealistic expectations:
Smash 6
Kid Icarus Uprising 2
Splatoon 4
Fighters Pass 2
New Zelda
Custom Robo
Star Fox Zero 2

 

[Perkilator]

3 Hours left. Any Last minute Predictions?

• C button is for chat
• Mouse-Con demonstration (complete with a new IP built around it)
• Nintendo Switch 2 Editions of Switch 1 games
• More info on the new Mario Kart
• FE4 remake
• Planet Robobot Deluxe
• New Animal Crossing
• Next Smash game confirmed to be in development
• Kid Icarus Uprising remaster
• 3rd party games that Switch 1 couldn’t handle
• Monolith Soft’s next project
• New 3D Mario

 

[dezeray112]

3 Hours left. Any Last minute Predictions?

Realistic Predictions/Expectations:
$400-600 Console Price
All Switch 2 editions games will be $70-80
Mario Kart
Sakurai's Secret Project
The Playtest Game
Anything Kirby
A new IP
Arms 2
Metroid Prime 4 launch release date with the Switch 2
Feeling lucky but Donkey Kong



Unrealistic expectations:
Smash 6
Kid Icarus Uprising 2
Splatoon 4
Fighters Pass 2
New Zelda
Custom Robo
Star Fox Zero 2

My Predictions/Expectations:

• More on the specs of Switch 2 console.
• Pricing for both console and physical games.
• Mario Kart.
• A new Mario 3D platform game.
• A small tease of the next Smash Bros. entry.
• Gamecube NSO library.
• Third party games eg. Switch 2 editions for Street Fighter 6 etc.

 

[fogbadge]

I'm gonna avoiding making predictions

 

[BritishGuy54]

Two hours to go.

Let’s see what last minute predictions I can come up with.

• Mario Kart 9 - Many Retro Tracks, including DS Delfino Square, Wii Toad’s Factory, GCN Rainbow Road, NS Dolphin Shoals
• Nintendo Switch 2 Formal Introduction
  • Price - £399
  • Release - June 2025
• That NSO Playtest Game
• New Animal Crossing - August 2025.
• New 3D Mario - A wide open world. Speculated to be assisted on development by MonolithSoft. - Releases October 2025.
• No news on Metroid Prime 4 or Pokémon Legends Z-A, confirming them as Switch 1 exclusive.

Also unrealistic predictions:

• Mario Movie 2 Casting - Daisy, Toadette, King Boo, E. Gadd, and Bowser Jr. are cast. Yoshi uses game noises. No sign of Wario or Waluigi ANYWHERE.
• Xenoblade Warriors - IDK, it would just be very cool.

 

[Gengar84]

Two hours to go.

Let’s see what last minute predictions I can come up with.

• Mario Kart 9 - Many Retro Tracks, including DS Delfino Square, Wii Toad’s Factory, GCN Rainbow Road, NS Dolphin Shoals
• Nintendo Switch 2 Formal Introduction
  • Price - £399
  • Release - June 2025
• That NSO Playtest Game
• New Animal Crossing - August 2025.
• New 3D Mario - A wide open world. Speculated to be assisted on development by MonolithSoft. - Releases October 2025.
• No news on Metroid Prime 4 or Pokémon Legends Z-A, confirming them as Switch 1 exclusive.

Also unrealistic predictions:

• Mario Movie 2 Casting - Daisy, Toadette, King Boo, E. Gadd, and Bowser Jr. are cast. Yoshi uses game noises. No sign of Wario or Waluigi ANYWHERE.
• Xenoblade Warriors - IDK, it would just be very cool.

I agree Xenoblade Warriors would be awesome but I’m wondering if Xenoblade has a big enough audience to sell a Warriors game. I think another really fun Nintendo option that definitely does is Pokemon. They can set it in the ancient past in one of those big Pokemon wars like the era that AZ was originally from.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

Slightly insane bingo card I made at 3am and already want to change:

I in no way expect all of this, I wanted to just chuck as much stuff in as possible (and still missed things). Also it was 3am and I am ill so it is slightly bizarre. (And intentionally bad).

Also, I think expecting it to live up to the aeitch 1 equivalent is... unreasonable considering it had... a lot (botw, mario odyssey, xenoblade 2, splatoon 2, arms, smtv, 1 2 switch, "something no more heroes" (travis strikes again), octopath, etc.)

But if it even does half as well I will be very pleased.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yoshi uses game noises.

I was going to ask "from which game" believing that his voice actor changed in Super Mario Bros. Wonder, but then looked it up and found Totaka's name still. Apparently though, he goes uncredited in this game, which makes me wonder, because the portrayal of Yoshi here is different from anywhere else. Did he stealthily get a new voice actor, or am I just used to his voice clips that hadn't been updated since like, 2010.

 

[Pupp135]

If unlockable characters somehow return at brawl/melee's amount....what characters do you feel are likely to be unlockable?
If these veterans return, i think they could be unlockable, maybe: , , , , .

This isn’t super simple to properly gauge as we don’t know who will actually return, but I think these characters below could end up as a secret fighter.

Spoiler: Reasons

I ruled out instances where characters were starters for multiple consecutive games as they’d
probably end up as starters again if they returned, which would include the following:

With Charizard not being a secret fighter, Pokemon Trainer would probably be a starter if they returned instead of solo Charizard.
Even though this isn’t the most reliable prediction, I think the fighters who became starters in SSBFor would be starters next game if they returned as they are prominent enough characters in terms of gaming or SSB:

For pre-SSBFor, these would be the remaining veterans who I could see as secret fighters if they returned:

This really is a case of mostly having characters who are historically unlockable or low priority. Snake is more of an instinct than anything else, and Wario may be a secret fighter to help diversify the series on the starting selection (WarioWare is distinct from Super Mario, but they did kind of treat Wario as an honorary Super Mario character in some instances).
From For and Ultimate, the only instance of traditional unlockables was in For, where Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Lucina, and Dark Pit were secret fighters. I assume that these four would still be secret fighters where Bowser Jr. provides a supplemental Super Mario character, Duck Hunt is a surprise fighter, and the others are echoes.
After that, I can only go off of my instincts here. From the remaining characters from For, the only ones that I think would probably be secret characters are Greninja, Robin, and Corrin if they want to limit the number of Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters on the starting roster. Most of the other characters represent their own series, Rosalina is a popular Super Mario character, and Palutena is a popular character in the SSB community.
From Ultimate, Inkling, Isabelle, and Ridley will probably become starters as the former two are probably the most prominent Nintendo characters to debut in the last 15 years, and Ridley is a long term fan request. Given the large amount of Castlevania content, I think Simon would be a starter. Piranha Plant is the same case as Duck Hunt. For DLC characters, I’m just going with my instincts where I think Hero, Byleth, Min Min, Steve, Aegis, and Sora are the most probable to be starters.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The implications of today's events are going to shift a lot of discussion on Smashboards so if nothing else a lot of us may have to get used to how much debate and speculation will be dominated by some very specific subjects.

That's right, the Croc remaster that's now out today will undoubtedly lead to much talk about characters, stages, and spirits so get ready.

Croc meeting Star Fox would biggest crossover meeting the history of gaming, bar none.

 

[BritishGuy54]

It’s Wii Toad’s Factory or bust.