Unpopular Smash Opinions (BE CIVIL)

[fogbadge]

I'm just baffled that they seemingly ignored staples like Diddy Kong while they have MUGEN-level picks like Stingby on full display. You're telling me you forgot Petey Piranha, but a goddamn Fishbones knew how to drive??

And RIP my guy E. Gadd fr. They'll invite ANYONE to Mario Kart before that guy.

goomba was longer overdue

 

[UserKev]

I'm just baffled that they seemingly ignored staples like Diddy Kong while they have MUGEN-level picks like Stingby on full display. You're telling me you forgot Petey Piranha, but a goddamn Fishbones knew how to drive??

And RIP my guy E. Gadd fr. They'll invite ANYONE to Mario Kart before that guy.

Paper Mario has some beloved or notable characters that definitely should've been included. Madam Flurrie would've diversified heavy weights. Lady Boo. Goombario would've certainly been cool. The Bandit could've perfectly represented Yoshi's Island.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Kirby Air Riders basically confirms that, if Ultimate Deluxe does exist, we'll see it having a different director than Sakurai.

Not like a director on an enhanced port of a game is going to make major shifts to Smash conventions, but it'll be interesting perhaps.

I think this is less of an unpopular opinion and more of a legitimate question about who's going to take the helm of the next Smash game.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm just baffled that they seemingly ignored staples like Diddy Kong while they have MUGEN-level picks like Stingby on full display. You're telling me you forgot Petey Piranha, but a goddamn Fishbones knew how to drive??

And RIP my guy E. Gadd fr. They'll invite ANYONE to Mario Kart before that guy.

To be fair. We don't know the full roster. It looks massive, lol.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

To be fair. We don't know the full roster. It looks massive, lol.

There's also the fact that a Mario Kart-focused Direct is still on the way.

They probably held off from both delving into the new characters that were shown and from revealing tons of other characters to save all that content up for the Direct.

 

[fogbadge]

There's also the fact that a Mario Kart-focused Direct is still on the way.

They probably held off from both delving into the new characters that were shown and from revealing tons of other characters to save all that content up for the Direct.

not to mention the two treehouse presentations

 

[Janx_uwu]

I think this is less of an unpopular opinion and more of a legitimate question about who's going to take the helm of the next Smash game.

yeah whoops wrong thread

 

[UserKev]

To be fair. We don't know the full roster. It looks massive, lol.

If you don't know Nintendo (pun intended), the current roster is definitely all we're getting.

 

[Ze Diglett]

To be fair. We don't know the full roster. It looks massive, lol.

The character select screen seems to indicate 4 pages with ~12 characters each, in which case we've seen all the characters already. I guess it's possible that they're hiding something, but for now, I'm rolling with Occam's razor. This is probably it until at best post-launch.

Personally, I'm a little mixed on World's seeming focus on mooks. On one hand, picks like Pokey and Cataquack are very funny, but on the other, it feels like they didn't even get the essentials before diving headfirst into the bargain bin. Mario's cast of spinoff regulars isn't even that big, and getting folks like Peepa and Rocky Wrench (separate from Monty Mole!) over actual named characters seems kind of a waste.

That said, day 1 Cheep Cheep main if it has a green costume. Gotta rep my boy Mr. Kipper when I can.

 

[MartianSnake]

I'm just baffled that they seemingly ignored staples like Diddy Kong while they have MUGEN-level picks like Stingby on full display. You're telling me you forgot Petey Piranha, but a goddamn Fishbones knew how to drive??

And RIP my guy E. Gadd fr. They'll invite ANYONE to Mario Kart before that guy.

Game isn't out yet and we're still learning about new racers, I wouldn't make assumptions like that so quickly

I honestly think the roster is gonna be huge, maybe even 100

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I've always been against the whole Smash fandom "ooh, a shiny new thing!" approach every time a new character is seen or gets a breakthrough/comeback role...

That being said, Mii Tomodachi, paralympic footballer, and Moo Moo are all utter peak, would be the best Smash picks since Jigglypuff and G&W, so I think I get it, things really did just line up that luckily for the "specifically add Cappy, Rex, Spring Man, BOTW Link and Octoling" crowd.

 

[Laniv]

Now that things have calmed down, I can say thank goodness Sakurai's secret project wasn't Smash Bros.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Now that things have calmed down, I can say thank goodness Sakurai's secret project wasn't Smash Bros.

The fact they expected that bait and switch to be recieved well - and it was - really does prove to me that Nintendo/Sakurai knows what Smash buildup does to people. I will remember that.

 

[fogbadge]

Now that things have calmed down, I can say thank goodness Sakurai's secret project wasn't Smash Bros.

yes I'm glad it's not too

 

[Cyborg Sun]

The character select screen seems to indicate 4 pages with ~12 characters each, in which case we've seen all the characters already. I guess it's possible that they're hiding something, but for now, I'm rolling with Occam's razor. This is probably it until at best post-launch.

Personally, I'm a little mixed on World's seeming focus on mooks. On one hand, picks like Pokey and Cataquack are very funny, but on the other, it feels like they didn't even get the essentials before diving headfirst into the bargain bin. Mario's cast of spinoff regulars isn't even that big, and getting folks like Peepa and Rocky Wrench (separate from Monty Mole!) over actual named characters seems kind of a waste.

That said, day 1 Cheep Cheep main if it has a green costume. Gotta rep my boy Mr. Kipper when I can.

...No clue where that image came from but I actually counted 50 characters so far on the Wiki, 2 more than what this setup can fit. How curious.

 

[Ze Diglett]

...No clue where that image came from but I actually counted 50 characters so far on the Wiki, 2 more than what this setup can fit. How curious.

My explanation for that is that a few of the characters like Rocky Wrench could feasibly be costumes for existing characters, making up the difference. Seems more likely to me than "the devs are trolling by faking the number of spots on the character select," anyway.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm admittedly guilty of continuing the topic a bit earlier here myself, but this thread isn't about Mario Kart or general unpopular gaming opinions. There are separate threads for both.

This thread is about unpopular Smash opinions, so it's probably for the best that we stay on track for that.

Speaking of, I still think the Miis should've gotten a moveset relating to most of the actual Wii games they were in. That would've been a lot cooler and more creative than just making them generic, customizable blank slates who fulfill several fighting styles and fighting character archetypes that many other characters on the roster all fulfill with their own abilities and weapons already. The only thing the Miis stayed true to was their core roots of being an avatar for the player that can do whatever's needed to in the game they appear in, but I still think that there was a major missed opportunity for a sports and sporting gear-oreitend moveset, here. That, I think most of the moves they have are either obnoxious or generic.

...I can't honestly complain too much since we still got Team Rocket and the Sans costumes for them in Ultimate, though.

 

[Opossum]

My explanation for that is that a few of the characters like Rocky Wrench could feasibly be costumes for existing characters, making up the difference. Seems more likely to me than "the devs are trolling by faking the number of spots on the character select," anyway.

I could see this for some options, maybe, but also explicitly not Rocky Wrench. If they were to just make it a costume swap, I feel like they'd use the NSMB design which was just Monty Mole in goggles. The past few games that have had them, they've been making a point to make the Rocky Wrench into its more unique, older self to set itself apart from Monty Mole again. Making it a costume swap would contradict that very clear design philosophy.

 

[MBRedboy31]

My explanation for that is that a few of the characters like Rocky Wrench could feasibly be costumes for existing characters, making up the difference. Seems more likely to me than "the devs are trolling by faking the number of spots on the character select," anyway.

It’s also possible that they brought back needing to unlock characters, and they (either intentionally or accidentally) used a file for the Direct there that doesn’t have them all unlocked.

 

[TheZizz]

I hope the next smash game is $100. The community deserves no less, vindictive as they are

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I hope the next smash game is $100. The community deserves no less, vindictive as they are

What a weird way to talk about people you think of as "vindictive"

SSBU, DLC included, is over $100 as is any way.

 

[TheZizz]

What a weird way to talk about people you think of as "vindictive"

SSBU, DLC included, is over $100 as is any way.

There's no package deal after all these years? Classic Nintendo. (but then what competition does smash have?) More power to em I say, for eschewing insubstantial micro transactions for the most part

And the community is notorious in case this was breaking news, the gatekeeping is out of this world. And I suspect that the earthbound trolls bastardizing & misrepresenting the most noble innocent characters of all, overlaps even to the venerable smash boards.

 

[Opossum]

And I suspect that the earthbound trolls bastardizing & misrepresenting the most noble innocent characters of all, overlaps even to the venerable smash boards.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

 

[BonafideFella]

i remember Wario Wario Wario 's want for a wholly inanimate character in smash a few years back , which is strangely coalescent with a character i've been pining for for a minute now -- ness' nightmare/the evil maki-maki statue
however you would do their moveset, it'd be peak
u could just have them be a static model echo of ness, an original character harnessing the literal negative vibes of earthbound, moving around via krakens slightly cresting under the stage to ferry them around - a proper area of effect character!
and they are a pretty prominent piece of iconography in that title specifically!

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

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i remember Wario Wario Wario 's want for a wholly inanimate character in smash a few years back , which is strangely coalescent with a character i've been pining for for a minute now -- ness' nightmare/the evil maki-maki statue
however you would do their moveset, it'd be peak
u could just have them be a static model echo of ness, an original character harnessing the literal negative vibes of earthbound, moving around via krakens slightly cresting under the stage to ferry them around - a proper area of effect character!
and they are a pretty prominent piece of iconography in that title specifically!

Mother's mid-bosses are such an untapped goldmine. Even putting aside all the kinda weird bad-taste stuff going on with Masked Man, I have no clue what would endear even someone unaware of the Baggage™ to him over any of the guardians, Master Belch, the chimera bosses, so on.

 

[TheZizz]

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.

It means a noticeable chunk of these ness mains couldn't be more diametrically opposed to the noble sacrifice he made for Lucas in SSE. Charlatans! But then maybe I could stand to be more sporting about that sort of teasing/bullying. Maybe it's just what the doctor ordered... Nahh I doubt the intent is typically "ease up man no hard feelings" so much as "good, I hope you have all the hard feelings". Hard pass

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

It means a noticeable chunk of these ness mains couldn't be more diametrically opposed to the noble sacrifice he made for Lucas in SSE. Charlatans! But then maybe I could stand to be more sporting about that sort of teasing/bullying. Maybe it's just what the doctor ordered... Nahh I doubt the intent is typically "ease up man no hard feelings" so much as "good, I hope you have all the hard feelings". Hard pass

why are you still this angry over the most niche, obscure imaginable brawl dramas, and why do you keep wording them like maga dog whistles.

honestly that scene in subspace more sucks because a smash story made has to implement any tangible stakes or consequences beyond just "stop the bad thing" instead of just being haha funny hour like the actual gameplay is.

 

[TheZizz]

why are you still this angry over the most niche, obscure imaginable brawl dramas, and why do you keep wording them like maga dog whistles.

honestly that scene in subspace more sucks because a smash story made has to implement any tangible stakes or consequences beyond just "stop the bad thing" instead of just being haha funny hour like the actual gameplay is.

Smash 4 was no different, and some of these elite smash VODs show me little has changed. Anyway I got dogpiled here for a harmless idea about dual characters, and it reeks of all the same unprovoked vitriol, to which I will gladly bare my teeth. Smash community earned all the vilification it ever received. But to whom the shoe doesn't fit, is meant no offense

 

[UserKev]

More excessive debating..

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Wow, it’s almost as if there’s one specific user causing these problems and we wouldn’t be having them if they weren’t here….:thonk:

 

[TheZizz]

More excessive debating..

There may be nothing for it but to settle it in smash, as a reminder of our common thread. With a mutual pledge of no sore winners, no sore losers, and most importantly...no johns!

Perhaps the time has come to place New England on my radar, and invigorate the scene with the fabled rivalries of smash's heyday. Maybe it's a matter of not taking things so seriously.

Wow, it’s almost as if there’s one specific user causing these problems and we wouldn’t be having them if they weren’t here….:thonk:

Do you want competitive smash to have sponsors again or not? Consider this the knock of opportunity from the greater community who don't dwell on everyone knowing who Ike's Dad's favorite power ranger is. Narf

 

[fogbadge]

There may be nothing for it but to settle it in smash, as a reminder of our common thread. With a mutual pledge of no sore winners, no sore losers, and most importantly...no johns!

Perhaps the time has come to place New England on my radar, and invigorate the scene with the fabled rivalries of smash's heyday. Maybe it's a matter of not taking things so seriously.

what on earth are you on about?

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

People, just block and move on.

 

[UserKev]

There may be nothing for it but to settle it in smash, as a reminder of our common thread. With a mutual pledge of no sore winners, no sore losers, and most importantly...no johns!

Perhaps the time has come to place New England on my radar, and invigorate the scene with the fabled rivalries of smash's heyday. Maybe it's a matter of not taking things so seriously.



Do you want competitive smash to have sponsors again or not? Consider this the knock of opportunity from the greater community who don't dwell on everyone knowing who Ike's Dad's favorite power ranger is. Narf

It'd be kinda sad if your eventually banned but your kinda spammy my guy. You need to stop. Seriously.

 

[TheZizz]

It'd be kinda sad if your eventually banned but your kinda spammy my guy. You need to stop. Seriously.

If we're being serious, I have never berated people I pity. Punching down is very unbecoming.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Smash 4 was no different, and some of these elite smash VODs show me little has changed. Anyway I got dogpiled here for a harmless idea about dual characters, and it reeks of all the same unprovoked vitriol, to which I will gladly bare my teeth. Smash community earned all the vilification it ever received. But to whom the shoe doesn't fit, is meant no offense

If you see vitriol everywhere, the common denominator may be you.

 

[TheZizz]

If you see vitriol everywhere, the common denominator may be you.

I am patently anti-vindictive, which does have similarities. Of course the tendency to become what one hates is documented science, and demonstrated on the daily. I'll call it out where I see it anyway. If the shoe fits...

And I most certainly don't see it everywhere, not even close. Not even within the frame of the smash community, far fetched as that may be. Just as I assumed the bulk of smash board users didn't see vitriol in every online player who dared to throw a punch indiscriminately

 

[Champion of Hyrule]

The lack of more “modern” Kirby content in Smash really doesn’t seem like it comes from any bias on Sakurai’s part. There’s a few factors like the modern Kirby games using lots of locations from past games, and Kirby not getting much music in general that seems more likely to me.

also there’s actually a pretty good amount of songs from newer Kirby games and songs from games like Kirby 64 that Sakurai had no direct involvement in.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The lack of more “modern” Kirby content in Smash really doesn’t seem like it comes from any bias on Sakurai’s part. There’s a few factors like the modern Kirby games using lots of locations from past games, and Kirby not getting much music in general that seems more likely to me.

This couldn't be more farther from the truth??? Modern Kirby-games has had ton of new songs and kept it's locations pretty fresh since Sakurai's departure - which only makes it more egregious to observe Kirby's stage and character representation in Smash best stuck mainly on Dreamland 1, Adventure and Super Star.
Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot especially had pretty cool locations and songs to pull from, not to mention final areas of Star Allies. (Have to yet play Forgotten Land but I remember it having interesting-looking locals and settings too.)

also there’s actually a pretty good amount of songs from newer Kirby games and songs from games like Kirby 64 that Sakurai had no direct involvement in.

They're mostly fine as imports, some songs very much are worthy of being there (Fatal Moonlight Blooms and CROWNED) - but some choices are bit baffling in the list (Dangerous Dinner Map Theme? What?)

Even then, it feels like not many of the composers brought in seem to be much familiar or into Kirby's modern music selection to consider remixing them.

Like it's a shame how even to this day, the remixes we got that came from Post-Sakurai era can be counted with one hand: the Forest/Nature Area (Rainbow Route/Mustard Mountain) from Kirby & Amazing Mirror, Zero Two-theme, and Squeak Squad Theme (+ throwback boss theme to it in Brawl's Boss Medley).

Brawl had most, whilst SSB4 got only one from KAM, and then in Ultimate, we'd get City Trial as the only sole remix for Kirby-series, still on Sakurai-era. The imbalance is kinda noticeable.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

This couldn't be more farther from the truth??? Modern Kirby-games has had ton of new songs and kept it's locations pretty fresh since Sakurai's departure - which only makes it more egregious to observe Kirby's stage and character representation in Smash best stuck mainly on Dreamland 1, Adventure and Super Star.

I'm pretty sure he's saying that Kirby has few new songs - post-Sakurai; pre-Sakurai; remixed; or original - in Smash Ultimate, not that the new Kirby games are recycling songs.