Zelda Matchup Thread // OUTDATED

[RoyalBlood]

Nah, 60-40 seems right but since the majority agreed on 65:35 I guess that makes it ^_^
Oh, and if someone contributes here it's because they are supposed to know the match-up, so it's not "even if they don't know anything since it's majority bla bla bla" stuff :3

If Zelda knows what's she doing, she should do just fine against a same level Olimar ;D

I guess I'll update the front page >=3

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

just one question. Why Frigate instead of Rainbow Cruise?

 

[RoyalBlood]

Because I haven't checked this thread in 2 days ;3

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Because I haven't checked this thread in 2 days ;3

oh. I'm pretty sure the mentality was:

Rainbow cruise is better. it's just that most zelda's aren't familiar with it. But if you ARE familiar with it. it's a golden CP.

For next matchup. let's do one that's already done us... like ganon or sonic

 

[Brinzy]

Nayru's, like Successor of Raphael mentioned, should get punished every time it's used to reflect pikmin. It just has too much lag to be useful.

Not to sound annoying or anything, but when did I say that? I think I only made two posts for this fight - one saying that it felt like 70:30, and one asking for Oli's tougher stages.

 

[Kataefi]

He meant me I think ^^

 

[DanGR]

Not to sound annoying or anything, but when did I say that? I think I only made two posts for this fight - one saying that it felt like 70:30, and one asking for Oli's tougher stages.

My bad, I got some names mixed up.

I'll edit the post.

 

[GreyFox86]

Next character should be either Lucas or ROB

 

[NinjaLink]

I was looking at the matchup and i see alot of weird matchup ratios. I honestly dont like ratios but some things there didnt make sense. Vs Peach 50/50? Not true. Anyway U can put up ROB. I can help out there. I like the matchup

 

[Snakeee]

I actually think Zelda has the advantage against Peach. What do you think NL?

 

[NinjaLink]

I actually think Zelda has the advantage against Peach. What do you think NL?

Guess u didnt watch me fightin D1's peach. I thought she did but he played so gay and defensive i couldnt do anything. Its on my account. Peach does fair on ur shield and rolls backwards. Zelda cant do ANYTHING. She cant punish her rolls. I think her dair clashes with Dins Fire. I figured the matchup out against the gayness but u have to play completely different against something like that. If peach straight up fought yea it could be even.

 

[Kataefi]

What fighting style do you use? I've seen the videos... and I've read up on the matchup and stuff. I would just use my OoS shield options. USmash her Dair OoS, jab her float approaches and try to reflect her glide tossing. I would never be aggressive, maybe I should... hmmm

The way you play against her NL does it bring the matchup closer to even in your eyes. Is it effective? ^^ and if so... what is it??!!

 

[Snakeee]

Up smash can beat her d-air if you anticipate it. That's a huge deal right there. Although she does with the camping war as reflecting turnips is pretty useless. And yeah she stops Dins fire easily. I think basically all her aerials can stop it. I say get close enough where she has to attack, and then punish for the most part.

And just so you know I've been playing Zelda a lot more now, and I'll be using her more in tourney (mostly with Sheik, but occasionally solo Zelda)

 

[NinjaLink]

What fighting style do you use? I've seen the videos... and I've read up on the matchup and stuff. I would just use my OoS shield options. USmash her Dair OoS, jab her float approaches and try to reflect her glide tossing. I would never be aggressive, maybe I should... hmmm

The way you play against her NL does it bring the matchup closer to even in your eyes. Is it effective? ^^ and if so... what is it??!!

Can't you just d-smash? And, up smash can beat her d-air if you anticipate it. That's a huge deal right there. Although she does with the camping war as reflecting turnips is pretty useless. And yeah she stops Dins fire easily. I think basically all her aerials can stop it. I say get close enough where she has to attack, and then punish for the most part.

And just so you know I've been playing Zelda a lot more now, and I'll be using her more in tourney (mostly with Sheik, but occasionally solo Zelda)

U dont get it. I kno all of that. All he does is spaced fairs. Jab doesnt stop it. He doesnt dair my shield knowing i can hit him from it. All i can do is Dins fire before the fair hits. That is it. Or roll behind him to match his roll. Fair autocancelled on ur shield gives u only 2 FRAMES to respond with something. Zelda has no moves that fast. IT takes 7 frames to drop ur shield. Its impossible to hit her that way. Fair on shield = Free shield pressure.

Watch the whole set to see how i adapt. It went from me gettin 2 stocked to me 2 stocking him.

 

[Kataefi]

Because Peach moves on one axis of movement during the float, I try to predict the height in which she may float to and attempt to sweetspot bair. She'll die around 60% from the middle of FD.

But yeah USmash > her dair.

I fought a couple of Peaches over at the Peach boards and she's tricky no doubt, but there are ways to overcome them. Just don't let her within your spacing, which is hard.

 

[Snakeee]

Forget what I said about d-smash I meant that for punishing a roll not the f-air. And, well if you know he's going to use f-air a lot....b-air/fair him

EDIT: wow Kataefi beat me to it lol. And 60% won't happen if they DI well at all. I've had people survive that at pretty high percents before actually.

 

[NinjaLink]

Because Peach moves on one axis of movement during the float, I try to predict the height in which she may float to and attempt to sweetspot bair. She'll die around 60% from the middle of FD.

But yeah USmash > her dair.

I fought a couple of Peaches over at the Peach boards and she's tricky no doubt, but there are ways to overcome them. Just don't let her within your spacing, which is hard.

Why do u keep talkin about her dair which that isnt the main problem.

She doesnt die around 60%. That person has no DI.

 

[Snakeee]

Why do u keep talkin about her dair which that isnt the main problem.

She doesnt die around 60%. That person has no DI.

Well for the fact that d-air spam is a big problem for most characters, it's a big weight off your shoulders with Zelda. I realize there are other problems for Zelda in this match up, but you can't overlook this.

 

[NinjaLink]

Well for the fact that d-air spam is a big problem for most characters, it's a big weight off your shoulders with Zelda. I realize there are other problems for Zelda in this match up, but you can't overlook this.

I never had the dair problem with ANY character.

 

[Kataefi]

Yeah I meant to throw in NO DI in there. SORRY ^^

 

[NinjaLink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWnpBscGoDk

I kicked peach at 76%. After looking at it, it prolly can kill lower.........Hittin her is the problem.

 

[Snakeee]

I never had the dair problem with ANY character.

....that's her most spammable move by far. In fact, Vanz even went as far to say that she may be high up the tier list mainly because she has a move like that.

 

[NinjaLink]

....that's her most spammable move by far. In fact, Vanz even went as far to say that she may be high up the tier list mainly because she has a move like that.

Peachs dair isnt that serious.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

its been a while since i fought a peach most of what i did was mentioned but i also used a angled f-tilt when she floated at me and i think it at times it traded hits with her fair. it was a while ago and i know f-tilt is slow and can be punished but if you predict the peach right it can be helpfull.

also note: it was a close match but i won it

 

[GreyFox86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWnpBscGoDk

I kicked peach at 76%. After looking at it, it prolly can kill lower.........Hittin her is the problem.

Wow, I've seen your Zelda at work but that's the first I have seen her move that fast. If my Zelda moved as fast as that, I wouldn't have a problem placing top 3.

I've played against Peach and she is really tricky to beat. I just tend to look out for her Air attacks cause I don't anything against it unless its Zelda's Usmash.

 

[NinjaLink]

Wow, I've seen your Zelda at work but that's the first I have seen her move that fast. If my Zelda moved as fast as that, I wouldn't have a problem placing top 3.

I've played against Peach and she is really tricky to beat. I just tend to look out for her Air attacks cause I don't anything against it unless its Zelda's Usmash.

Thanks for the comment.

 

[GreyFox86]

Welcome.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I've said peach v. Zelda is one of my least favourite fights since the beginning.

it's seriously a definite advanytage peach for reasons I've repeatedly given:
60:40

 

[powuh_of_PIE]

Does Zelda win in priority vs Peach? I've always wondered, but I don't know any good Peaches to test against. If she does, then SH-Nairs could be a big help against the float approach as long as you predict well.

 

[Kataefi]

Zelda's priority is pretty insane.

It's just that Peach's aerials have great priority and also range, which Zelda's nair lacks. So if Peach spaces herself well she can hit without ever being hit by nair and at worst will trade hits, which doesn't help Zelda at all when she's given Peach around 2% and taken 14% in the process.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

peach floats at us... she can poke us until the cows come home. we'd have to preempt her to beat her and if she's ANY good at feinting, we'll miss far more often than we hit.. and when we DO hit, if we trade, she'll be the one doing more damage/knockback.

Zelda definitely has better parameters than peach for killing and such, but peach will just be controlling the flow of the match so much better because she just has better tools that we won't be hitting as much.

it's an awful matchup against any peach who knows what they are doing. It's my least liked matchup next to game and watch. even marth isn't as bad for me because at least I can go sheik on him for mild success. I've got nothing on peach past psychicly predicting her moves.

She can toss turnips in such a way that nayru's doesn't reliably stop them. and her **** jab (b**** slap) is so good it beats out all OUR GTFO moves... which lets her beat us at about every range.

the peach needs to know what she's doing, but once she does, she's an awful matchup for Zelda. one of her worst actually. maybe THE worst for zelda and sheik because she's so bad for sheik.

 

[NinjaLink]

I can easily show how bad the matchup is with the set i have recorded.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I can easily show how bad the matchup is with the set i have recorded.

eh. I don't think they'll listen.

I tried for days to say "peach beats zelda"

and I had to fight the rest of the thread who thought she didn't. Essentially they'd keep saying stuff like
"jab beats float" which is true if she empty floats at you, but what peach does that?
"Usmash OoS beats dair" which is true, if you sheild it. anyhow, it's sometimes worth the risk for peach sicne she can use it as a punishment move. but peach doesn't need this move so, w/e

the fact is. zelda only beats peach if peach doesn't use what she has on zelda. peach can poke with fair the WHOLE MATCH and zelda can do nothing about it.

Peach can play defensively and just plain beat zelda. Zelda can't approach well against peach and she can't beat peach at poking.

everyone kept claiming din's and lightning kicks beat out her floats... which is true. if peach is an idiot.

quite simply. if peach knows the matchup and has experience defesively... we'll probably lose.

bad matchup for us.

no way it's any better for us than 60:40 peaches favour

 

[Villi]

I'd agree with the Peach boards when they say 55:45 in Peach's favor. You just can't commit to anything against Peach but it's largely the same for Peach against Zelda. Fade in and out with nairs/fairs, shield a lot, use fsmashes from safe distances, Din's from long distances. Punish with quick attacks when she decides to approach. Don't approach unless you can make it pay off. Peach can be difficult to read, but you just have to do it like you would in any other match.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

diffrence is. peach's pokes are safer and more damaging.

 

[Villi]

You don't poke Peach unless it's with Din's from the other side of the stage. You just need good ground spacing to counter her float attacks. If she's coming in for a fair poke, depending on how she likes to do it, you can counter. Run under her and fsmash if she floats, shield or sidestep her jabs if she auto cancels, preempt her quickly. Zelda's nairs and fairs are faster than Peach's fair, so you win if you meet her half way, and you can just fade back if she tries to punish a committed attack.

Additionally, if she can only hit you with fairs... She's not gonna be able to kill you easily with any kind of good DI on your part.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

You don't poke Peach unless it's with Din's from the other side of the stage. You just need good ground spacing to counter her float attacks. If she's coming in for a fair poke, depending on how she likes to do it, you can counter. Run under her and fsmash if she floats, shield or sidestep her jabs if she auto cancels, preempt her quickly. Zelda's nairs and fairs are faster than Peach's fair, so you win if you meet her half way, and you can just fade back if she tries to punish a committed attack.

Additionally, if she can only hit you with fairs... She's not gonna be able to kill you easily with any kind of good DI on your part.

if peach spaces those fairs right. you aren't getting through with anything. It doesn't work. and we can't poke at ALL. due to this, we won't be hitting much at all.

we have better kill moves, but peach will be wracking damage at a rate significantly high enough that that won't count for much.

her fair is as bad as G&W's bair.... worse even because she can feint with it.

 

[Villi]

double post

 

[Villi]

if peach spaces those fairs right. you aren't getting through with anything. It doesn't work. and we can't poke at ALL. due to this, we won't be hitting much at all.

we have better kill moves, but peach will be wracking damage at a rate significantly high enough that that won't count for much.

her fair is as bad as G&W's bair.... worse even because she can feint with it.

Zelda doesn't poke. Name a Zelda poke. Her strength is in her efficiency -- you'll have to take risks once in a while in order to punish if you can perceive an opening. If Peach is remaining unpunishable, she's not close enough to hurt you. I can't walk you through a Peach ****, but Zelda has ways around her if you know Peach well enough.

 

[GodAtHand]

So we are reverting back to discussing Peach now?

I for one Main Zelda but Peach is kinda my fun secondary. So I could join, but I pretty much like the 50-50, if someone wants to change that dramatically perhaps I will sneak attack in with some info that has probably already been said but pretend it was all me. Then leave...

Edited because I was not paying attention